Tonewood and Magnetism - Missing the Point

Was this pickup marketed as a humbucker or a single coil?
See picture.
A. it LOOKS like a humbucker
B. its 40+ years old no sales sheet came with the guitar
C. its got a piece of wood where a magnet SHOULD BE so how does this not tie into the conversation?
D. --its a JOKE---

How did you ever find that? Adrian

I "know a guy" ;)


I am assuming the real story is --- Humbuckers became all the rage ---BUT this company HAD a crap ton of pre wound single coils ---what to do---- we dont want to lose sales---or throw out all these GOOD single coils--------- so --- they juts slapped em in the 'bucker housing balanced it with a bit of wood and glue and shipped on over to the good ol USA of A .........Capitalism at its finest......
 
Tune your guitar down a half step and try it.

I'm not in a position to do that right now. I'll try that later. My suspicion is that the sound from the amplifier will be less, since no strings will be tuned to the resonant frequency of either the fundamental nor harmonics of an A-440 tuning fork.
 
youse guys is all bananas...
five pages of folderol and weird science and alternate science and you haven't proven
that wood affects tone in an electric guitar. ...which was kind of the point.
I coulda learned German in the time youse guys have spent on this,
and then read the scientific paper in the vernatural.

but it's all good, because it inspired me to play four of my electric guitars side by side and
listen to them. and I wrote a kid song called "uh oh, mom's counting!...."
which was pretty childish. *grins

and I worked on another song called "Tioga's Bar"
Tioga's Tavern@100.jpg
where the clientele are all ghosts... and the cars are all dead.

So thanks for inspiring me to set four differing guitars out on stands and plug them in and listen
to the tone wood thing. But I forgot about the tone wood, and listened to the tone. *grins
Which is also the point. My guitars all sound different, and I love that about them. I don't know
what makes them sound different, but I picked them all because of it. My ear bone connected to my
heart bone, my heart bone connected to my head bone, and that tells me what guitar to buy.

This is not very scientific, but it has only failed me twice in my whole life. Once when I was very young
and once when I had no excuse... both times I bought a guitar because it looked so cool, and then
regretted it and sold it and moved on.

Anyway, cool thread. Thanks for posting, thanks for not going too wild over politics
(because if it wasn't so stupid it would be laughable)... And let's all play music and ignore the
current puppet show.
 
... you haven't proven
that wood affects tone in an electric guitar..

I don't know what other peoples' intentions are, but I'm not trying to prove anything!

I have nothing to prove.

One of my desires in this thread has been to try to frame one portion of the discussion accurately, specifically, to point out that saying that pickups cannot sense wood, because it is nonmagnetic, misses the point of the tonewood advocacy discussion. This is because the tonewood advocacy people never claimed that. Rather, they focus on the potential interplay of vibrations between the wood and the strings, not whether wood can directly affect the output of a pickup.

That is why I attempted to verbalize the technical concept behind the tonewood advocacy position, as best I understand it from lurking through various forums, and trying to think through it on my own. I think too often we as guitar players talk past each other without really bothering to understand one another.

Beyond that, I'm not interested in ~proving~ anything. I'm more interested in a test as I described, or something similar to it, and just seeing what the data indicate. Bea posted some interesting info, but I don't speak German, so I don't know if it addresses the type of metrics I'm interested in.

If you were to ask me if I think there is anything to the idea that wood can affect tone, I'd say, "I don't know."

If you were to ask me if I think an electric guitar is immune to the effects of wood on tone, I'd say, "I don't know."

Honestly, just because some may not hear a difference, it doesn't mean there is no difference. It just means they couldn't hear it. Similarly, just because some others say they hear a difference, it doesn't mean there is one. They may have imagined it.

That's why testing with real lab gear is worthwhile, at least to me. It can objectively reveal if there is really something there, or not. "Proof" is not my concern; my interest lies more in some sort of test results, regardless of where on the continuum they may fall.

The data could reveal that wood can affect tone, but to a degree so minor as to be of no practical value. The data could reveal that different woods have no effect whatsoever, freeing us from the concern altogether. Or, the data may indicate that there is some effect, but just on the verge of being detectable by human hearing. This could spur guitar makers to intelligently select woods or other materials in such a way as to take the effect from just being on the verge of something detectable to something this is consistently detectable and worth pursuing.

Anyway...just more thoughts....
 
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Tell you what...output sure as hell affects tone...the more ohms I get, the "bigger" the G/B/e strings sound...16k is about right...
 
My guitars all sound different too.
I don't know why.
I don't really care why.
I can play an entire job on any one of them.
The person plays the job, not the guitar.

I hate having more than one guitar....I currently have three - a Schechter, a 1987 Squirecaster and a 2016 SG - but now that I know the qualities I like, so I think I can finally incorporate all these attributes into one guitar - my 24.75" scale twin humbucker Strat. My goal is to get down to just the 24.75" Strat and the 24.75" scale Destroyer....
 
^^^^Okay. Right there is an illustration of part of what I'm saying. @Robert Herndon has stated repeatedly, on this forum and others, that he can hear the difference between a 24.75 scale and a 25.5 scale guitar.

Possibly, some have rolled their eyes at this idea.

But, how can anyone judge what he can hear?

This is why quality test gear is so worthwhile. It shows what is really happening.

This is also why listening tests have a built-in Achilles Heel. All listening tests are dependent on the physical capacity of the listeners, all of whom likely have different hearing abilities, and any of whom may have damaged their hearing through too much Rock and/or Roll!
 
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vive la difference, je dit...
I love all the tones available in my various instruments. I'm not that into the science
of it... the instruments inspire me and I make music. That's what's important to me.
I'll leave the science to the engineers and designers who make my instruments, because
I can't do what they do, and they can't do what I do. I'm no dummy, so I try to follow
the scientific parts, but sometimes my brain just farts and I start humming Oingo Boingo
"Weird Science..."

Ah well... All the different neck shapes and all the different tones and controls delight me.
I actually love being surprised by a guitar/amp combination (but not onstage... only at home).
Onstage I generally keep things as simple as possible, knowing that distractions and odd events
are plenty, and the less I have in front of me, the more I'm likely to perform what I've been practicing.

But at home, all this tone stuff is nothing but fun. I read peoples' opinions and posts with enthusiasm,
and contemplate almost everything. Some I discard as uninteresting or dead wrong, but most I'm
fascinated to try to understand
. Even to the point of remembering concepts of physics and mathematics
that are normally irrelevant to life as I know it.

And then I remember what's important, and go plug my SG in, and play.
"Interplay of vibrations between wood and strings..." it's music to my ears. It might get loud.
 
Tone wood is not even part of the equation ......adjustable pickups are the true magic tone beans ask RVA
 
Hmmmm...well....I have this all mahogany, bolt on neck Strat-copy with a fat 50's neck. When you strum it, the guitar vibrates in your hands as if you are holding a running back massager. It does this plugged in or not....you think that's the pickups???
 
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