Some unhappy Gibson Owners

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I respect your position and feel for your issues. I just haven't had them. I have zero fret buzz and the action is where I want it on all of mine. Now, I may not be that picky and you may not like how my guitars are set up. They work for me. Go get some preamp tubes before Mitch finds a home for all of them.

I am grateful for your good fortune with Gibson guitars. I wouldn't wish what I went through on anybody. but, there was a silver lining. I spend more time playing now and less time blogging, zero time doing modifications and my playing is improving every day.

Tubes!!!!!

Mitch already has one amp outfitted. He only needs this Eminence speaker to finish the job!!!!
 
As they most certainly should. Gibson survives on the folklore of their past.

I bought 5 brand new Gibson's between 2003 and 2018. Four had major issues that would require neck reset, fretboard planing and plugging/re-drilling bridge posts to salvage.

My letter to Gibson's Nicholas.Chemsak@gibson.com in 2017 mentioned exactly the same issues that were addressed with Gibson in 2003. - and nothing changed.

Every Gibson enthusiast I encountered chastised me for 'making Gibson look bad,' and several openly denied that my experience was even possible.

Interestingly, I found 7 You Tube videos that described my experience in exacting detail, proving my experience was not only plausible, but commonplace.

I encountered humps in the fretboard on a 2016 Les Paul 50's Tribute, so large that the factory had set the 12th fret action to over .125" to make it playable.

Incorrect neck angle on a 2016 SG so steep that the tailpiece required 1/4" of Faber shims to keep the strings from contacting (cutting grooves in) the bridge.

A twisted neck - halfway down the fretboard on a 2016 Les Paul Studio that was visible to the naked eye and resulted in 12th fret action set at .090" by Gibson

In general, poor quality finish work, inaccurate intonation and bridge placement, loose bridge posts held in with only glue and gaps between neck and body that you could stand a playing card in.

Buzzing electronics that would pick up and transmit a local FM radio Station (KFROG) and two way radio communication from the nearby state university.

The most bizarre point of all was the legions of 'Gibson Faithful' who openly justified anything that Gibson produced because - after all - it was a Gibson.

I got rid of all of them and I would never - ever - purchase another Gibson product - new or vintage.
Thank goodness that you survived to tell us. ;)
I do not share in your experiences, thankfully.
I am not a legion of the “Gibson Faithful”.
I am just some schmuck that hasn‘t had the same experiences that you have...so please forgive my lack of decorum, as I agree to differ.
Perhaps I will be vocal in that matter “if” it ever happens to me...but 5(yep five) times, and I’m still waiting to see what y’all are yelling through the inter-web about...
I mean, I can understand a blind purchase, from an internet shop that sets guitars up for their patrons to “enjoy”...but...
I can remember one of yours being bathed in oil rather well....someone said it was cool to do...whatever.
I’m gonna shut up n play my guitar now...last night it was a PRS.....SE....oh, and a V...from big G...neither one had fret ends that cut my soul...but the V was more “electric” to play.
Why don’t you go on about your tube, and speaker, replacement recommendations to the DSL40 line?;)
I don’t recall so much vitriol about dropping a couple of C notes on a $400 amp to get it up to expectations...should we dig through the list of suggested upgrades there?
 
To all those with OLD Gibsons (and new ones) that work perfectly out of the box WELL DONE, YOUR FORTUNATE --- not every one has had that experience rejoice in your good fortunes--
OTHERS have worked saved and toiled to GET THAT FIRST GIBSON and it been a stinker outta the box--- that is just flat WRONG --

GIBSON markets its self as the PINNACLE the TOP USA GUITAR MAKER -- -none better-- but they dont always deliver that -- so they need to QUIT PUSHING IT-- or up the QC.

If you buy a 1976 VW Beetle for 900.00 and the shifter knob comes off in your hand -- you "expect" such and laugh it off
IF you buy a 90,000.00 PORSCHE and the same happens -- YOUR PISSED and your hitting the INTERWEB to VOICE said PISSEDness. (and rightly so)



a 119.00 Squire Bullet Mustang ----if it has sharp frets or a wonkey tuner or finish issues--- ya kinda expect that
you DONT expect that with a 1900.00 Gibson, period.....your BUYING quality -- the QUALITY needs to be there.

regardless of individual situations--(which will very widely)
THAT IS THE TAKE AWAY HERE

please GIBSON hear my plea ---- stop "marketing" greatness, and go back to making good guitars
 
Here is my take on Gibson, I cant believe how some of the Gibson fans here want to protect the Gibson Brand even though their buddies who have bought Gibsons are having these problems!! I guess its ok to say well I haven't had a problem so no big deal. NO BIG DEAL. Look at the problems that are still occurring Look at John SGs guitar that was sent to him. Its ok is it. You Gibson Brand lovers better band together and make SURE the word is getting out to Gibson THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. There is no way on this earth those guitars should be leaving the plant. As a Gibson owner you should join the fight to protect your Brothers who have been getting these sub standard guitars. When you wave the big stick , you better come up to the plate and hit a home run. They are not doing that , well some of you think its not happening much its happening more than you think, How many have not said a word about the problems they have had with their Gibsons, MANY obviously that s why they are in financial bind. With you Gibson owners just turning a blind eye will not help this situation improve. Get out there and get darn mad about it and show them you wont accept their inexcusable workmanship. There are some here that have said if Gibson goes overseas they will never buy another Gibson, well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but its on the brink of happening. This can not continue the way it has been. There are some here I am sure believe Gibson will not go under. There have been empires collapse, Gibson is no exception. Some of you are upset about the Gibson Postings well if it was Godin. PRS, Schecter or some other Brand with its name on the headstock, you would be right in their expressing your views. So Gibson fans take a deep breath and don't take it personal, people are just relaying the facts. It hasn't happened to me approach doesn't help the cause for your Brothers. You can just skim over the problem or do something about it. Get your voices heard, how many hours do you spend on the Forum or forums discussing things. Get on the computer and write a letter to the CEO Explaining to him about these issues and that you are fed up with the situation Gibson has got themselves into. Yes I agree STOP MARKETING GREATNESS and go back to making good guitars.
 
Why don’t you go on about your tube, and speaker, replacement recommendations to the DSL40 line?;)
I don’t recall so much vitriol about dropping a couple of C notes on a $400 amp to get it up to expectations...should we dig through the list of suggested upgrades there?

I'm trying to figure out if this excerpt above is genuine or sarcastic???

My mods for the DSL40C are nowhere near a couple of C notes. On my first DSL40C, I did use a WGS Reaper 55Hz which cost me $160.00 initially. After that, I found a much better speaker in the Electro-Harmonix 12VR75 and that's what both amps currently have in them. The 12VR75's are $45.00 retail.
 
Thank goodness that you survived to tell us. ;)
I do not share in your experiences, thankfully.

I'm glad that you haven't had a similar experience. It was a very disappointing situation, of that I can assure you. I think my 'vitriol' was in direct proportion to being told that such errors from the 'Big G' just were not possible.

In retrospect, the entire experience was a blessing in disguise....I play more and am earning more now in my present, more focused state and couldn't be happier.... :)

The key here is, I earn my living with a guitar and I need something that can support my work without needing a complete overhaul - or neck reset, bridge post fill/drill, fretboard planing - right out of the box.

I traveled a bit and played a LOT of new Gibson's, right 'off the hanger,' and when my in-store experiences mirrored exactly what I experienced from an Internet supplier, it became clear that the problem was 'The Big G' and nothing was going to change that.

Some get a good Gibson, some don't. I think my standards may be pretty high, but -TBTH - when the bridge posts are sunk wrong and you can't intonate the guitar, and you are told that's not possible (until the Gibson warranty tech actually measures it and declares it so) it's a bit frustrating...
 
Here is my take on Gibson, I cant believe how some of the Gibson fans here want to protect the Gibson Brand even though their buddies who have bought Gibsons are having these problems!! I guess its ok to say well I haven't had a problem so no big deal. NO BIG DEAL. Look at the problems that are still occurring Look at John SGs guitar that was sent to him. Its ok is it. You Gibson Brand lovers better band together and make SURE the word is getting out to Gibson THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. There is no way on this earth those guitars should be leaving the plant. As a Gibson owner you should join the fight to protect your Brothers who have been getting these sub standard guitars. When you wave the big stick , you better come up to the plate and hit a home run. They are not doing that , well some of you think its not happening much its happening more than you think, How many have not said a word about the problems they have had with their Gibsons, MANY obviously that s why they are in financial bind. With you Gibson owners just turning a blind eye will not help this situation improve. Get out there and get darn mad about it and show them you wont accept their inexcusable workmanship. There are some here that have said if Gibson goes overseas they will never buy another Gibson, well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but its on the brink of happening. This can not continue the way it has been. There are some here I am sure believe Gibson will not go under. There have been empires collapse, Gibson is no exception. Some of you are upset about the Gibson Postings well if it was Godin. PRS, Schecter or some other Brand with its name on the headstock, you would be right in their expressing your views. So Gibson fans take a deep breath and don't take it personal, people are just relaying the facts. It hasn't happened to me approach doesn't help the cause for your Brothers. You can just skim over the problem or do something about it. Get your voices heard, how many hours do you spend on the Forum or forums discussing things. Get on the computer and write a letter to the CEO Explaining to him about these issues and that you are fed up with the situation Gibson has got themselves into. Yes I agree STOP MARKETING GREATNESS and go back to making good guitars.

Good post, Session 5.... :-)
 
Yeah, I hate to say it I work on a lot of guitars and I've experienced the mislocated bridges on a LP more than once. But then again people don't bring me stuff that works. One was an 03 and the other was a 16, iirc, both Standards.

Dude with the 03 was not a diehard Gibson fan, but he just couldn't come to grips with the fact that his guitar couldn't be intonated properly. I had to show him a properly built one to prove it. I explained the fill and drill process and he wanted nothing to do with it - sold it the next week for big dollars. I don't advocate passing on problems to other people, especially at max used retail, but what are you going to do at those prices. Take the hit or offload it? The 2016 owner didn't even care because it was a Gibson.

Never had the neck angle issue come to me yet, but I'd pass a reset onto more qualified personnel anyways.

I really appreciate your post here, because i had a hard time figuring out what was going on. I honestly didn't think the posts COULD be installed wrong on a Gibson. It was hard separating the facts from the Gibson folklore.
 
2020 i think is going to be no forums...finish the song for new year up & get back to reality & positive enviroment...the studio...the gigs....100% positive....i play it all & if something doesn't suit..move on...don't need to plug my fav guitar by starting a Gibson bashing thread.

I'm not sure who posted this originally, as I passed over the videos in the first few posts entirely.

I don't post much here anymore. I think I actually do more PM's than I do postings, and then I do text quite a bit when I can with other members.

I'm currently working with two bands now in addition to full-time studio work, so my time is very limited.
 
I'm not sure who posted this originally, as I passed over the videos in the first few posts entirely.

I don't post much here anymore. I think I actually do more PM's than I do postings, and then I do text quite a bit when I can with other members.

I'm currently working with two bands now in addition to full-time studio work, so my time is very limited.
Robert mucho respect for you..i remember PM ..you & I had in August,,if i was near you..would be banging on your door...until i could talk you into a band..we would collaborate & have a gut feeling...we could get out on tour doing a multi genre show,,,,entertaining. I realized..every moment i am in front of a computer,,,that is less time on earth i have to do something real...the hostility & negativity does get to me..not so bad here..but in general research from gear..using the forums...you see the same redundant recycled stuff...for me ..since day 1..it was about making music...i love the gear but i love the music more....
 
Robert mucho respect for you..i remember PM ..you & I had in August,,if i was near you..would be banging on your door...until i could talk you into a band..we would collaborate & have a gut feeling...we could get out on tour doing a multi genre show,,,,entertaining. I realized..every moment i am in front of a computer,,,that is less time on earth i have to do something real...the hostility & negativity does get to me..not so bad here..but in general research from gear..using the forums...you see the same redundant recycled stuff...for me ..since day 1..it was about making music...i love the gear but i love the music more....

You are a class act, my friend, all the way and I do truly believe that 2020 will hold some wonderful experiences for you. I am seeing it as a year of total restoration for you and yours.

You said it all right there in red above...I had to learn that wisdom the hard way. I got so caught up in this guitar or this scale length and I really just lost my way. You kinda helped me find it again.... :)
 
You are a class act, my friend, all the way and I do truly believe that 2020 will hold some wonderful experiences for you. I am seeing it as a year of total restoration for you and yours.

You said it all right there in red above...I had to learn that wisdom the hard way. I got so caught up in this guitar or this scale length and I really just lost my way. You kinda helped me find it again.... :)
Thanks !! You upped my game my friend....started intonating all my guitars better & fixed the nuts & it made the lil dif that matters..once there..keep em there...way worth the effort.

I always thought you have a hit song somewhere lurking in you that is gonna come out one day !!! Maybe it is time for a change...i lost my self some due to a tension in general..its on the streets at work..its on the internet...we basically have all become Siskel & Ebert in a way..critics...of everything !
 
I've never cared about scale length, personally. I love guitars too much to exclude an entire class of them over trivial stuff like that. Give me a 24 or a 30, it's all good in my book. Basically as long as I can set it up and jam out, I could give a flying :poo: about the particulars.
lol..you know what messes me up the most ? that 25.1 thing..my fingers get so confused and always hit the fret !!
 
Ok, first, let me just say I like Gibson guitars (and amps, and their straps are great too, and I like their picks...), so I'm definitely biased. But:

When it comes to finding fault with guitars, and judging how bad the faults are, I think a lot of it has to do with mindset, preconceived notions, expectations and price.

A lot of people claim everything Gibson is simply :poo: these days. They are wrong. And a lot of people can't accept that there might be faults with Gibson guitars at all. They are wrong.

I've been really lucky with my Gibsons, all of them. But then again, I'm not picky with necks, I'm not picky with small dings, and I accept that I need to set my guitars up properly before judging how they really perform. I accept that although a guitar might not suit ME perfectly in every way conceivable, that doesn't mean it is not a great guitar. It is quite simply impossible to please everyone.

However, sometimes guitars slip through QC when they shouldn't. Evidence (although quite often anecdotal) definitely shows that. The guitar John just bought is a good example. It should not happen, but it will. And if it happens, the dealer or Gibson themselves should correct the problem for the customer, either by replacing the guitar or fixing the fault, no questions asked. I accept that a guitar bought on the net will not be guaranteed to have the perfect setup out of the box, but it should at least have a decent setup done to it before leaving the factory/store. And guitar stores should give you a free setup when you buy a guitar, that much SHOULD be expected of them.

That being said, I still think Gibson gets a harder rap than a lot of other producers. Not necessarily just because of they marketing themselves as a quality brand, but largely because of their"legendary" status as one of THE greatest guitar brands historically. When a lot of people buy a Les Paul, they are not just buying a guitar, but also a piece of music history, They are buying part of the legacy of people like Eric Clapton, Peter Green, Slash, Duane Allman, Michael Bloomfield and, well, Les Paul... Whether consciously or unconsciously, with a lot of buyers, a Gibson signifies more than just a musical instrument. When those standards are not met a 100 % (how could they be, really?) the distance between "the best" and "crap" is very short. I think this not only applies to Gibson's expensive models. When people buy the cheaper models, SG Specials etc., I think people tend to have the same expectations as for the more expensive ones. (Mind you, there is no reason to accept faults with cheaper guitars!)

I would have liked to see statistics of how many guitars from the different brands are in fact faulty, and by faulty, I mean de facto faulty. Without having any clue, really, I would imagine Gibson is not worse than similar high-end brands. But I think they get bashed more for problems than other brands.

Again, I'm not saying people imagine the problems they have had with their Gibsons, definitely not. Way too many people report problems for that to be the case. Those of you here who report problems with your Gibsons know that all too well. But I think there is a clear tendency towards :poo:ing on Gibson, particularly on YouTube, for things that are not real problems.

As for complaining that the Les Paul Standard really should be what the Traditional is etc., come on, just get a different TRC...
 
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As they most certainly should. Gibson survives on the folklore of their past.

I bought 5 brand new Gibson's between 2003 and 2018. Four had major issues that would require neck reset, fretboard planing and plugging/re-drilling bridge posts to salvage.

My letter to Gibson's Nicholas.Chemsak@gibson.com in 2017 mentioned exactly the same issues that were addressed with Gibson in 2003. - and nothing changed.

Every Gibson enthusiast I encountered chastised me for 'making Gibson look bad,' and several openly denied that my experience was even possible.

Interestingly, I found 7 You Tube videos that described my experience in exacting detail, proving my experience was not only plausible, but commonplace.

I encountered humps in the fretboard on a 2016 Les Paul 50's Tribute, so large that the factory had set the 12th fret action to over .125" to make it playable.

Incorrect neck angle on a 2016 SG so steep that the tailpiece required 1/4" of Faber shims to keep the strings from contacting (cutting grooves in) the bridge.

A twisted neck - halfway down the fretboard on a 2016 Les Paul Studio that was visible to the naked eye and resulted in 12th fret action set at .090" by Gibson

In general, poor quality finish work, inaccurate intonation and bridge placement, loose bridge posts held in with only glue and gaps between neck and body that you could stand a playing card in.

Buzzing electronics that would pick up and transmit a local FM radio Station (KFROG) and two way radio communication from the nearby state university.

The most bizarre point of all was the legions of 'Gibson Faithful' who openly justified anything that Gibson produced because - after all - it was a Gibson.

I got rid of all of them and I would never - ever - purchase another Gibson product - new or vintage. As such, I rarely post my experiences because they are so unpopular, but it was certainly both an eye opener and a turning point for me in my musical journey....
The funny thing is I recently bought a Harley Benton brand LP. I didn'texpect much. It was made in China and set up by Thomann in Germany. It cost me 180.00 with shipping. It was perfect, no problems. Since I got it, I've done a great deal of research on the experiences of others because I wanted to try again (maybe a PRS style). Many people experienced the exact same issues you did. The difference is it was on a Chinese guitar under 200.00. People share their experiences because it's only a cheapo guitar with no reputation to uphold. The problem is they don't inspect them enough before shipping. Maybe, just maybe, the emperor has no new clothes, he's just naked.
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