To Scream or Not To Scream:

I guess I'm the odd man out on this
but...

I don't see having an amplifier at the edge of breakup
and hitting it with a TS, Klon, etc. to push it into overdrive.
To me it would seem better to have a crystal clean amplifier
and a pedal with a low gain side and a high gain side.
With that combination you can have clean cleans,
nice rhythm crunch, a good distorted sound and
a searing lead tone by stacking the 2 sides.

...but what do I know.
 
Funny I just did a search the TS9 is a cheap Ive'been had ( Ibanez ) I see them as low as $35.00 used
I collected the TS808 and sold them at a great profit Same with the Rat 1
I feel burned I paid $65.00 used for my 1984 TS9
The photo I posted I wanted you guy's to guess what was the most expensive out of the bunch.
I have a few totes full of effect pedles I just grabbed at random
I'm surprised I thought it would be the Vibe-Unit $400.00 new
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Tony M. said:
I guess I'm the odd man out on this
but...

I don't see having an amplifier at the edge of breakup
and hitting it with a TS, Klon, etc. to push it into overdrive.
To me it would seem better to have a crystal clean amplifier
and a pedal with a low gain side and a high gain side.
With that combination you can have clean cleans,
nice rhythm crunch, a good distorted sound and
a searing lead tone by stacking the 2 sides.

...but what do I know.
Click to expand...

It's just an experiment...I guess I won't know until I try it???
 
Tony M. said:
I guess I'm the odd man out on this
but...

I don't see having an amplifier at the edge of breakup
and hitting it with a TS, Klon, etc. to push it into overdrive.
To me it would seem better to have a crystal clean amplifier
and a pedal with a low gain side and a high gain side.
With that combination you can have clean cleans,
nice rhythm crunch, a good distorted sound and
a searing lead tone by stacking the 2 sides.

...but what do I know.
Click to expand...
Your suggestion makes perfect sense, but it's quite different from what Robert is trying to achieve with his DSL. First of all, his DSL has massive amounts of gain available but unfortunately a lot of it is unusable. This whole talk about using a TS type of pedal to tighten up the flubby gain on his DSL is because he witnessed and posted a video where someone used a cheap Behringer TS type pedal to produce the tones that Robert is seeking from his amp. None of the pedal's gain control was used. The pedal's level or volume control was used as a clean boost to an amp that was already heavily overdriven. Typical TS circuitry of the volume or level control enhances the mids predominantly, while the boost of the lower frequency range is narrower and milder.

So, for a $100 (Ibanez TS9), or $70 (EHX ERD), or even a $25 Behringer, it might be a frugal solution to Robert's DSL shortcomings.
 
Even though it's counter-intuitive in some respects, a treble booster can hit the right frequencies to bring everything together. That might be something for Robert to consider? I watched a lot of videos on it today, and sometimes a treble booster hitting a well overdriven amp sounds amazing - seems to have been standard to hit a Marshall with a treble booster in the 60s/70s.

 
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As I asked in Marshall muddy forum, have u tried the dsl thru the VS speakers? Also, here is what I read at Celestion about my G12T 75

and what I am guessing your GOLD Back Marshalls are.

Featured in the world's top selling 4x12 cabinet, the G12T-75 guitar speaker is a high powered rock player's dream.Built to meet the demands of high gain amplifiers, the G12T-75 combines a huge, tightly controlled low-end and aggressive mid-range with a softened top-end that adds a welcome sweetness to overdrive, distortion and aggressive upper harmonics. These are the characteristics that make the G12T-75 the weapon of choice for Yngwie Malmsteen.

8Ω Frequency Response

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General Specifications
Nominal diameter
12", 305mm
Power rating
75Wrms
Nominal impedance
Available 8Ω or 16Ω
Sensitivity
97dB
Chassis type
Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter
1.75", 44.5mm
Voice coil material
Round copper
Magnet type
Ceramic
Magnet weight
35oz, 0.99kg
Frequency range
80-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs
85Hz
DC resistance, Re
Available 6.77Ω or 12.9Ω
Mounting Information
Cut-out diameter
11.1", 283mm
Diameter
12.2", 309mm
Magnet structure diameter
5.7", 145mm
Mounting slot dimensions
0.31", 7.9mm Ø
Mounting slot PCD
11.7", 297mm
Number of mounting slots
4
Overall depth
5.0", 127mm
Unit weight
7.7lb, 3.5kg
Tone Samples
  • play
  • stop


00:00
00:00
G12T-75 CleanG12T-75 Crunch 1G12T-75 Crunch 2G12T-75 Distortion
 
This is what I am extrapolating that Robert's Valvestate combo has in it that Marshall had labeled Gold Backs


G12T 'Hot 100'



With a massive 100W power rating, this speaker sits perfectly in high-power or hybrid amplifiers. The G12T Hot 100 voices a modern sound with a big bass presence.

8Ω Frequency Response

graph.gif



General Specifications
Nominal diameter
12", 305mm
Power rating
100Wrms
Nominal impedance
Available 4Ω, 8Ω or 16Ω
Sensitivity
97dB
Chassis type
Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter
2", 50.8mm
Voice coil material
Round copper
Magnet type
Ceramic
Magnet weight
35oz, 0.99kg
Frequency range
80-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs
86Hz
DC resistance, Re
Available 3.4Ω, 7.4Ω or 14.83Ω
Mounting Information
Cut-out diameter
11.1", 283mm
Diameter
12.2", 309mm
Magnet structure diameter
5.8", 148mm
Mounting slot PCD
11.7", 297mm
Number of mounting slots
4
Overall depth
4.9", 124mm
Unit weight
7.1lb, 3.2kg
 
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chilipeppermaniac said:
As I asked in Marshall muddy forum, have u tried the dsl thru the VS speakers? Also, here is what I read at Celestion about my G12T 75

and what I am guessing your GOLD Back Marshalls are.

Featured in the world's top selling 4x12 cabinet, the G12T-75 guitar speaker is a high powered rock player's dream.Built to meet the demands of high gain amplifiers, the G12T-75 combines a huge, tightly controlled low-end and aggressive mid-range with a softened top-end that adds a welcome sweetness to overdrive, distortion and aggressive upper harmonics. These are the characteristics that make the G12T-75 the weapon of choice for Yngwie Malmsteen.

8Ω Frequency Response

graph.gif



General Specifications
Nominal diameter
12", 305mm
Power rating
75Wrms
Nominal impedance
Available 8Ω or 16Ω
Sensitivity
97dB
Chassis type
Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter
1.75", 44.5mm
Voice coil material
Round copper
Magnet type
Ceramic
Magnet weight
35oz, 0.99kg
Frequency range
80-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs
85Hz
DC resistance, Re
Available 6.77Ω or 12.9Ω
Mounting Information
Cut-out diameter
11.1", 283mm
Diameter
12.2", 309mm
Magnet structure diameter
5.7", 145mm
Mounting slot dimensions
0.31", 7.9mm Ø
Mounting slot PCD
11.7", 297mm
Number of mounting slots
4
Overall depth
5.0", 127mm
Unit weight
7.7lb, 3.5kg
Tone Samples
  • play
  • stop


00:00
00:00
G12T-75 CleanG12T-75 Crunch 1G12T-75 Crunch 2G12T-75 Distortion
Click to expand...

I have not tried that and I would be afraid to pull the speakers out of the VS265
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
This is what I am extrapolating that Robert's Valvestate combo has in it that Marshall had labeled Gold Backs


G12T 'Hot 100'



With a massive 100W power rating, this speaker sits perfectly in high-power or hybrid amplifiers. The G12T Hot 100 voices a modern sound with a big bass presence.

8Ω Frequency Response

graph.gif



General Specifications
Nominal diameter
12", 305mm
Power rating
100Wrms
Nominal impedance
Available 4Ω, 8Ω or 16Ω
Sensitivity
97dB
Chassis type
Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter
2", 50.8mm
Voice coil material
Round copper
Magnet type
Ceramic
Magnet weight
35oz, 0.99kg
Frequency range
80-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs
86Hz
DC resistance, Re
Available 3.4Ω, 7.4Ω or 14.83Ω
Mounting Information
Cut-out diameter
11.1", 283mm
Diameter
12.2", 309mm
Magnet structure diameter
5.8", 148mm
Mounting slot PCD
11.7", 297mm
Number of mounting slots
4
Overall depth
4.9", 124mm
Unit weight
7.1lb, 3.2kg
Click to expand...

Gold Backs are different I believe....not 100 watts??? Are you certain???
 
syscokid said:
Your suggestion makes perfect sense, but it's quite different from what Robert is trying to achieve with his DSL. First of all, his DSL has massive amounts of gain available but unfortunately a lot of it is unusable. This whole talk about using a TS type of pedal to tighten up the flubby gain on his DSL is because he witnessed and posted a video where someone used a cheap Behringer TS type pedal to produce the tones that Robert is seeking from his amp. None of the pedal's gain control was used. The pedal's level or volume control was used as a clean boost to an amp that was already heavily overdriven. Typical TS circuitry of the volume or level control enhances the mids predominantly, while the boost of the lower frequency range is narrower and milder.

So, for a $100 (Ibanez TS9), or $70 (EHX ERD), or even a $25 Behringer, it might be a frugal solution to Robert's DSL shortcomings.
Click to expand...

We gonna try!!!@
 
syscokid said:
Your suggestion makes perfect sense, but it's quite different from what Robert is trying to achieve with his DSL. First of all, his DSL has massive amounts of gain available but unfortunately a lot of it is unusable. This whole talk about using a TS type of pedal to tighten up the flubby gain on his DSL is because he witnessed and posted a video where someone used a cheap Behringer TS type pedal to produce the tones that Robert is seeking from his amp. None of the pedal's gain control was used. The pedal's level or volume control was used as a clean boost to an amp that was already heavily overdriven. Typical TS circuitry of the volume or level control enhances the mids predominantly, while the boost of the lower frequency range is narrower and milder.

So, for a $100 (Ibanez TS9), or $70 (EHX ERD), or even a $25 Behringer, it might be a frugal solution to Robert's DSL shortcomings.
Click to expand...

Here's the video in question. Specs in description:

 
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