Randall Speakers vs GT12T-75

Even if they are made in the same facility, what matters are the materials used, the manufacturing process, and the specs to which the speakers are manufactured. You can have different processes for different speakers even if made under the same roof.

But, you do bring up a good point about the speakers' age. The Randalls are likely broken in, whereas the Celestions are new. Another test after a couple months of use with the Celestions would be interesting, too.

Indeed!!!!

I couldn't get a 75watt Creamback to last more than a week, hitting it with a 40 watt DSL40C....AND the G12H-75's were UK Made!!!!

It was hilarious to listen to Celestion Support try every way possible to blame something else other than the speaker.
 
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For the unbelievers who say you can't blow a 75watt speaker with a 40watt amplifier:


Scumback Speakers personally chimes in on this thread:


Celestion's official response to any blown speaker:

BLOWN SPEAKERS ARE NOT DEFECTS AND ARE DEEMED AS ABUSE OR ACCIDENT AND ARE NOT COVERED BY ANY WARRANTY .
 
I like the 75 Celestions over the Randall all the Celestion speakers I own are UK made
down to three 4 x 12 Marshall cabinets and two 2 x 12 cabinets loaded with Celestions
2008 switched to cast frame speakers EV and Fane in ODS 50 and 100 amps
the Marshall's and Trainwrecks I have sound best with Celestion 25 watt green backs cuts the shrill top end off
 
I used T75s in my ‘87 Silver Jubilee cabs for years. They’re great sounding speakers, and gobble up my JTMs and JMPs real well. I like the clarity you get from them. According to the Solo Dallas website, they are one of the most changed speakers in Celestine line. An ‘87 won’t sound the same as a ‘97, ‘07, or ‘17. The early ones are the most desirable.
Totally agree. I have '89's (1936 cabinet) & 98's(1960A cabinet) T75. I have tried many of them. I had some Chinese too. IMHO the more used the better.
 
Not to take anything away from this thread, but let me say this in practical terms.

If you need a GOOD speaker that is CHEAP and stood up to over a year of gigging 5 nights a week, the Electro-Harmonix 12VR75 is the ticket.

75 watts, vented cone, $45.00

 
You still back east???
yep, stuck in auto locksmith land forever..lol my buddy with studio made it to Rock Lititz now which if you know is the Clair bro's & tate Towers facility that does a lot of major tours, Growing up there, MJ, priest, yes(used to listen to them jam on old water st watehouse in 70's..what a band, wish there albums were as radical as they free jammed) tomas dolby, U2, Stones..you name it, they would be walking around town, you would catch one every once & awhile out in public while the last test of tour stage was set up. had beers with Aisa
 
yep, stuck in auto locksmith land forever..lol my buddy with studio made it to Rock Lititz now which if you know is the Clair bro's & tate Towers facility that does a lot of major tours, Growing up there, MJ, priest, yes(used to listen to them jam on old water st watehouse in 70's..what a band, wish there albums were as radical as they free jammed) tomas dolby, U2, Stones..you name it, they would be walking around town, you would catch one every once & awhile out in public while the last test of tour stage was set up. had beers with Aisa

We are looking at property right now in South Carolina and we just got back from a trip there. Is that far from you?
 
I like the 75 Celestions over the Randall all the Celestion speakers I own are UK made
down to three 4 x 12 Marshall cabinets and two 2 x 12 cabinets loaded with Celestions
2008 switched to cast frame speakers EV and Fane in ODS 50 and 100 amps
the Marshall's and Trainwrecks I have sound best with Celestion 25 watt green backs cuts the shrill top end off
The 2 4x12s I have, are both the UK G12-T-75s being from the JCM900 1960A range. The other two 4x12 cabs, MF400Bs, actually have the UK G12-K100s which were the last batch before they changed over to Chinese built.

Both speakers are fairly close to one another in specs, with the K100 having a heavier ceramic magnet, slightly larger voice coil and slightly higher frequency range and them being 8ohm only vs the T-75 being 8 or 16ohm. Performance wise however, they arent too much apart. Basically, K100s are beefed up T-75s in all aspects with more focus on keeping the low end tighter and less scooping in the midrange. Some claim it's just a modernized GK-85 lol

This is the T-75
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Vs the K100
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For the unbelievers who say you can't blow a 75watt speaker with a 40watt amplifier:

Sure you can blow a 75 watt speaker with a 40 watt amp! But, it all comes down to the content and usage.

If a system is to be used primarily for just speech, you can get away with a much lower wattage speaker because the content doesn't drive the speaker to excessive levels of excursion.

But, often the general recommendation is to use a a speaker (or combination of speakers) that offer AT LEAST twice the rated output of the amplifier. This may need to be even higher if playing loud rock music at high volumes, which can drive a speaker even harder.

I used to use a 30 watt speaker with my 5 watt Marshall amplifier. I use a 75 watt speaker with my 25 watt Rivera.


Celestion's official response to any blown speaker:

BLOWN SPEAKERS ARE NOT DEFECTS AND ARE DEEMED AS ABUSE OR ACCIDENT AND ARE NOT COVERED BY ANY WARRANTY .

Honestly, I have to say that I see their point. Celestion has no way of controlling how people are going to use their speakers or if they have spec'd them out appropriately. They have no way to control someone who may mod their amp to produce higher than the rated output. These are just a few issues that can affect a speaker. I get your point. I know it really stinks, but I can see their side, too.

When I purchased the speaker for my Rivera amp from Sweetwater, I was told very clearly that once I plugged it in, I could no longer return it.

Our company probably installs around a hundred speakers a year, or more. We literally have never had a single speaker failure. When used appropriately and when spec'd out according to the amplifier rating, the intended usage, and the anticipated content, they are quite reliable.
 
Sure you can blow a 75 watt speaker with a 40 watt amp! But, it all comes down to the content and usage.

If a system is to be used primarily for just speech, you can get away with a much lower wattage speaker because the content doesn't drive the speaker to excessive levels of excursion.

But, often the general recommendation is to use a a speaker (or combination of speakers) that offer AT LEAST twice the rated output of the amplifier. This may need to be even higher if playing loud rock music at high volumes, which can drive a speaker even harder.

I used to use a 30 watt speaker with my 5 watt Marshall amplifier. I use a 75 watt speaker with my 25 watt Rivera.




Honestly, I have to say that I see their point. Celestion has no way of controlling how people are going to use their speakers or if they have spec'd them out appropriately. They have no way to control someone who may mod their amp to produce higher than the rated output. These are just a few issues that can affect a speaker. I get your point. I know it really stinks, but I can see their side, too.

When I purchased the speaker for my Rivera amp from Sweetwater, I was told very clearly that once I plugged it in, I could no longer return it.

Our company probably installs around a hundred speakers a year, or more. We literally have never had a single speaker failure. When used appropriately and when spec'd out according to the amplifier rating, the intended usage, and the anticipated content, they are quite reliable.

Here's what i found interesting in all of this...

I had repeated failures with Creambacks, both 65 and 75 watt variants, including one $320.00 Goldback, which Celestion tech told me was a "top shelf unit" and that i "could not harm it with a 40 watt amp, regardless of settings or volume."

Believe me, i do understand your points, but it was a real drag going through this speaker fiasco on a rig that i was - at the time - using to earn a living. It wasn't the money that bothered me as much as the downtime.

In my conversations with Celestion, i found their ultimate answer to be that their speakers were "never designed for 5 nights a week of useage," adding that "even a professional touring rig would need frequent speaker replacement if subjected to daily/nightly use."

My quest for a reliable speaker for my pair of DSL40C's turned out to be a real science project.

The following speakers, when subjected to the same degree of nightly abuse, worked flawlessly.

WGS Reaper 50 Watt 55Hz

Electro-Harmonix 12VR75 (cheap $45.00 speaker and the best overall i tested)

Jensen Stealth Neodymium 80 watt

Jensen Jet Tornado Neodymium 100 watt

Now, one would assume problem solved, right???

Although these speakers were reliable, they didn’t give me 100% what i was after.

The WGS Reaper 50 Watt 55Hz had a huge, heavy magnet, which made loading DSL40C''s in and out of my car difficult and they have a datker tonal quality that i could not EQ out.

The Electro-Harmonix 12VR75 was all around a great speaker, but the magnet was heavy. I liked the screen vented voice coil and the speaker looked better made than the Creambacks.

Really quick i switched to a 2x12 to try and get some speaker life by sharing the load between speakers.

The Jensen 80 watt/100 watt combo was suggested by Amplified Parts Bradley Woodbury. It was designed to make the 2x12 cabinet lightweight and have speaker voicings that were complimentary.

It was a good combo, but what i didn't like was how the Jensen's colored/altered my tone, so the search continued and i gave away a bunch of speakers.

Finally, i got was put in touch with a retired enginner from Celestion that told me they had secretly developed a coil, cone material and bonding method in the 1970's to help deal with Blackmore's - boosted - 200 watt Marshall Majors.

He related to me how Blackmore was using a Hornby-Skewes Treble Booster in front of his amp to compensate for the Major's inherent lack of gain, and mainly to overdrive the preamp.

He told me there was something special to keep in mind about this: The "Bright" volume control in the "Bright" channel of the Major's preamp not only changed the volume, but, as became common in the so-called Marshall "Plexi" era from 1966 on, also the bass response, so Blackmore was killing with not only volume, but resonance.

Needless to say, they had to come up with something to stand up to what Blackmore was doing, so the firm secretly developed some mis-labled, high wattage speakers, with robust bonding and voice coils, but never announced it publicly.

His reasoning for this was that the firm didn't want to "tarnish the reputation" of its speakers currently on the market.

This concept, he said, was applied, at least to some extent, to the Copperback 250's. He said they were absolutely, without a doubt, the most robust speaker in the Celestion line.

The Copperbacks only weighed 4 pounds and had amazing clarity, with no artificial coloration, so that's how i came to discover them...
 
My quest for a reliable speaker for my pair of DSL40C's turned out to be a real science project

Sounds like it!

Frustrating as I'm sure it was, you did make a lot of very informative discoveries.

Speakers really do have a big effect on tone. Honestly, that's part of why I've pretty much gone all digital. If I want to experiment with different speakers, I can just load an IR or cabinet model with a couple of clicks (or taps). The modern IRs really are very good.

But, sometimes I do pull out my amp and cabinet and just play through that for fun. Sometimes, it can be kind of cathartic to mess around with the real thing.
 
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