I didn’t mean to put anything down…sorry if I contributed to this.
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BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
yep , in society ...if i we dont like electric..wham cast off..my opinion gets run over..cant talk about or its political BS..its what i believe & i can keep that belief..
You’re not alone in that belief.
Clockworkmike
Ambassador of STACKS in WV SHACKS
Can we stop the politics stuff? This isn't what we do here. We try to keep it so grey and neutral here. Rambling about new gear, a band we like, even a dumb poop joke or two. It's a safe ground for all of any belief. Let's not ruin this too, can we agree on that for all of us? And I'm saying this to everyone, not singling out anyone
Yep. Poignant topic. Very polarizing.
I'm well-aware of early electric vehicles. They, too, had been plagued by similar technological issues as today's EVs, particularly battery capacity and limited range. In the early days of self-propelled vehicles, several solutions were variously explored - everything from steam to battery-power to internal combustion.
As it turned out, the issues associated with development of the internal combustion engine and distillation of fuel from crude oil proved easier to solve and, thus, the internal combustion engine quickly rose to dominance.
It is also true that EVs may be eclipsed by hydrogen fuel cells. So, much of the question may be moot.
But, I'm a little confused by your statement, "Now, if you intend to force me to accept your government mandate, then you have sparked the beginnings of a revolution."
I'm uncertain if you mean to use the pronoun, "you," in the impersonal, rhetorical sense or if you mean to project that onto me, personally. If the latter, I need to point out that I said nothing about mandates. I spoke specifically to the issues of infrastructure and technological hurdles. If you simply mean it as a rhetorical statement - not directed at me personally - I have no comment.
gball
Ambassador of Boogie
All about dollars. If the money had been put into development then the technology would have advanced, just as in any other field. Some technologies just get blocked by money too - think about the trolley system in Los Angeles, for example...
Now this just sounds like manufactured outrage, and is the kind of talk we hear more and more, unfortunately, when people don't necessarily get the answer they want to hear - everyone has to have everything their way or they are being oppressed right? The goverment mandates and regulates literally hundreds of different aspects of your everyday life (and the government builds for the roads you drive on so they sure should have some say in what gets to drive on them). That's part of the tradeoff for living in a society - the greater good, remember?
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gball
Ambassador of Boogie
Sorry, but there really isn't more than one side to this (and I can't begin to imagine what the media has to do with it). This is the way it is, and the forces that control it are not going to be changed just becuase some people don't like it. The big boys have already spoken: Toyota will be all electic/hybrid within 3 years from now, and Volvo and Mercedes-Benz will be full electric by 2030 (that's not far away, folks). General Motors before 2040, Ford will be all-electric in Europe by 2030 and will roll that out in North America shortly after - and every other manufacturer has already announced their long term plans to go full electric. This is all happening outside of any kind of government mandate and nobody is talking about coming to take your gasoline away, but the market factors being what they are mean that when less people use gas it will cost dramatically more and fewer places will sell it.
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Yes. Many of these manufacturers are responding to anticipated, long-term market demand. Though they may make advertising overtures toward reducing carbon footprints and similar motivations, the bottom line is, well, the bottom line. They know the newer, younger generations are going to start demanding these things. They are just positioning themselves in the market toward the upcoming customer base.
Now, I do recognize and concede that some of these manufacturers may be anticipating some future mandates and don't want to be caught flat-footed. They are only smart to think ahead to that sort of eventuality. But, I do think they are also reading the handwriting on the wall in the market.
Currently, I do not. All my vehicles have been paid off for a few years and I am not at all anxious to incur a car payment again!
However, when it comes time to procure another vehicle, an EV or, at least, a hybrid will definitely be on the table. I have already investigated installing a 240 volt charging wall in my garage. As my electrical panel is in the garage right next to where the new vehicle would be parked, it would only be a few hundred dollars.
But, overall reliability will be a key factor. If battery longevity isn't where I feel comfortable, I will pass up getting an EV. But, that would only speak to where I feel the technology is at that point, not the larger issue of EVs as a concept.
Clockworkmike
Ambassador of STACKS in WV SHACKS
I would consider a hybrid probably but like @smitty_p said: my two are paid off and it's gonna stay that way for a lil bit until one of two things happen: either a massive issue occurs in one of them OR the kids become freakishly large by the preteen years and I have to increase vehicle size lol ( currently I own a Dodge Journey and a Nissan Frontier that works for us 4 but size COULD be an issue in the future).
I would definitely drive an EV but it would have to be decent sized and there is the issue: most the bigger ones suck in terms of battery range unless you wanna fork over $100k and that just ain't happening lol I don't think any one vehicle should be 6 figures or higher unless you're buying some exotic supercar or a really fine classic in mint condition
Yeah, it's nice not to have a car payment!
I do not. An 07 Honda. 18 Buick. 1977 Vette. Gonna stay that way for awhile. Two of the three paid for.
On the fence on this one. By the time we’re ready to get something different, tech may advance to the point it may become viable to go EV…. Or hybrid.
Yeah, that's kind of where I am. I am leaning the EV or hybrid route, but I'd have to be comfortable with the status of the tech.