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I have always been a firm believer any time the Government pushes an agenda , its in there own best interests, not yours. when it comes to certain issues this being one of them.

The fat cats at the top are filling their pockets while i speak.

I remember very well the time when the Canadian Government came out with the push to convert vehicles to propane. They were giving rebates to convert the vehicles to propane. How well did that go over? they didnt convert too many. And what happened since then. propane is more

expensive than gasoline today. Hydro costs are rising here in our country.

Majority of electric buyers will be charging their vehicles off the grid, therefore their costs and our costs will be increasing generating more money for the tax man, otherwise known as the CRA Canadian Revenue Agency .
 
Session 5 said:
I have always been a firm believer any time the Government pushes an agenda , its in there own best interests, not yours. when it comes to certain issues this being one of them.

The fat cats at the top are filling their pockets while i speak.

I remember very well the time when the Canadian Government came out with the push to convert vehicles to propane. They were giving rebates to convert the vehicles to propane. How well did that go over? they didnt convert too many. And what happened since then. propane is more

expensive than gasoline today. Hydro costs are rising here in our country.

Majority of electric buyers will be charging their vehicles off the grid, therefore their costs and our costs will be increasing generating more money for the tax man, otherwise known as the CRA Canadian Revenue Agency .
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Actually just simple supply and demand. As demand goes up….. so do prices…. That is until supply outpaces demand, in which case prices go down. Such a slippery slope. :unsure:
 
EVs are the future, like it or not, so get used to it. Just the list of manufacturers that have given phase-out dates for gas-fueled vehicles should be all the warning we need, and once the electrics take over all the people who say they'll never change will have a hard time keeping their relics running because there will be less infrastructure available to do so. I suspect at some point there will be a carbon tax as well, and (hopefully IMO) they may phase out vehicles that are too old/dirty.

As for the issues, meh. Most of you guys are old enought to remember what utter pieces of crap gas-powered cars were in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Its really quite recent that our cars have become reliable and comforatable. But its a mature technology that reached the end of its useful lifespan. Reminds me of the state of properller-driven aircraft at the end of WW2/start of Korea - the tech reached its zenith even while it was being phased out for a newer but not yet perfected technology. Just the way it goes.
 
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EVs are the future, like it or not, so get used to it. Just the list of manufacturers that have given phase-out dates for gas-fueled vehicles should be all the warning we need, and once the electrics take over all the people who say they'll never change will have a hard time keeping their relics running because there will be less infrastructure available to do so. I suspect at some point there will be a carbon tax as well, and (hopefully IMO) they may phase out vehicles that are too old/dirty.

As for the issues, meh. Most of you guys are old enought to remember what utter pieces of crap gas-powered cars were in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Its really quite recent that our cars have become reliable and comforatable. But its a mature technology that reached the end of its useful lifespan. Reminds me of the state of properller-driven aircraft at the end of WW2/start of Korea - the tech reached its zenith even while it was being phased out for a newer but not yet perfected technology. Just the way it goes.
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Electric vehickes will improve as technological advances become available, but it is a fallacy to believe they dont leave a huge carbon footprint.

The California mandate only affects new vehicle sales and does not "ban" older vehicles, only prevents being able to obtain loans on new, non-electric vehicles.

I'll be driving internal combustion from now on.

If California's bans gas powered cars, we will move to a less autocratic area.
 
gball said:
EVs are the future, like it or not, so get used to it. Just the list of manufacturers that have given phase-out dates for gas-fueled vehicles should be all the warning we need, and once the electrics take over all the people who say they'll never change will have a hard time keeping their relics running because there will be less infrastructure available to do so. I suspect at some point there will be a carbon tax as well, and (hopefully IMO) they may phase out vehicles that are too old/dirty.

As for the issues, meh. Most of you guys are old enought to remember what utter pieces of crap gas-powered cars were in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Its really quite recent that our cars have become reliable and comforatable. But its a mature technology that reached the end of its useful lifespan. Reminds me of the state of properller-driven aircraft at the end of WW2/start of Korea - the tech reached its zenith even while it was being phased out for a newer but not yet perfected technology. Just the way it goes.
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Give me a big block 60's car any day over the POS new ones,,, they are non servaciable computers on 4 wheels basically.. Freedom they just want to control the grid & shut it down..i work with Joe & Jane Public all day every day..this world is F'd by the way everybody is entitled..i say leave me alone & let me enjoy my 5 cars & 2 boats..i work hard,,,i pay to play..what i want when i want & how i want without bothering anybody. Not directed at anyone..but 10 years of public biz in the cities gone off the rails..no respect left for anything unless you work hard..pay your share & live your life..forcing electric on me or saying in the city they dont have to pay for their services & be glad we are alive...unacceptable..l..the one side has there moment right now
 
EV owners have a tremendous sense of entitlement and zero sense of humor.

I pulled up next to a Tesla P85D seating 4 well dressed chaps, at a traffic light in Rancho Mirage.

It was early morning, cool and our windows were down, so i struck up conversation.

"I want to thank you for driving a Tesla," to which they all nodded in approval....then i added, "My Mustang needs the extra gas you are providing."

They started shouting "F**k you ass hole," and i just slowly pulled away from the light chuckling...

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Electric Vehicles are a completely political platform. Look for the inconsistencies. The Governor proudly announced that you will be forced to drive a EV, then announces that the grid cannot sustain the decision.

Its all beta testing to ascertain the amount of control and manipulation the government can exercise over the public.

The ultimate goal is power and control of the populace. Everything else is just a ruse.
 
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It would be great to see two separate united states, one run by the left and the other by the right.

Only then could you have true political peace, in many ways like how India created Pakistan.

The main reason for partition was the two-nation theory, which was presented by philosopher Syed Ahmed Khan, who stated (in the 1800's) that Muslims and Hindus were far too politically different to ever be able to live peacefully in one country.
 
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I love my freedoms.

If i want to burn $100 worth of fuel on a weekend drive into Death Valley, i believe in the right to do so.

Conversely, if you want to drive an EV, then that's great too.

This is how i believe things should be.

But, the Nazi idealism of the government preaching to you what is acceptable and what is not, is the beginning of socialism.

At no time in our history have we had a more gullible and malleable population.
 
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Let's be careful to avoid too much political drift here. It may be difficult to avoid...I find it difficult personally...with this topic, but just a friendly cautionary reminder...to all of us.
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True...

I am passionate about freedoms, even if it is the unwise burning of gasoline for recreationalpurposes. I guess im too opinionated and outspoken for my own good.
 
Inspector #20 said:
I love my freedoms.

If i want to burn $100 worth of fuel on a weekend drive into Death Valley, i believe in the right to do so.

Conversely, if you want to drive an EV, then that's great too.

This is how i believe things should be.

But, the Nazi idealism of the government preaching to you what is acceptable and what is not, is the beginning of socialism.

At no time in our history have we had a more gullible and malleable population.
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Agreed, pretty much...Someone, seemingly, has an interest in limiting travel. EV travel in many types of inclement weather conditions is not safe. See the above picture with the generator charging the Tesla....imagine that Tesla in a blizzard, dead.
 
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