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Guys, it's an irrational fear to think that electric vehicle are some kind of infringement on your freedoms. They are the way of the future and will be the standard moving forward, no matter how long the phase-in takes. Best to just accept that technology marches on and no amount of any of us old men being luddites is going to change that fact. Its not a political question and its not rights question or a freedom question - its just the way it is.
 
gball said:
Guys, it's an irrational fear to think that electric vehicle are some kind of infringement on your freedoms. They are the way of the future and will be the standard moving forward, no matter how long the phase-in takes. Best to just accept that technology marches on and no amount of any of us old men being luddites is going to change that fact. Its not a political question and its not rights question or a freedom question - its just the way it is.
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I agree with you on the technological standpoint that EV technogy is the way of the future. However, i do believe it is an infringement on our right to peaceful enjoyment of our daily lives, to be told what we can drive, to be mandated by the government to take a particular course.

My question is, what will be decided for me next????
 
gball said:
Guys, it's an irrational fear to think that electric vehicle are some kind of infringement on your freedoms. They are the way of the future and will be the standard moving forward, no matter how long the phase-in takes. Best to just accept that technology marches on and no amount of any of us old men being luddites is going to change that fact. Its not a political question and its not rights question or a freedom question - its just the way it is.
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I guess that’s sorta the way I look at it as well. And as a few have stated. I just turned 68. I accept the inevitable of the EV. I do think it’s a good idea. I also acknowledge it most likely won’t happen 100% till after I’m long gone.
 
gball said:
Guys, it's an irrational fear to think that electric vehicle are some kind of infringement on your freedoms. They are the way of the future and will be the standard moving forward, no matter how long the phase-in takes. Best to just accept that technology marches on and no amount of any of us old men being luddites is going to change that fact. Its not a political question and its not rights question or a freedom question - its just the way it is.
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EV usage in my home climate can be challenging. My vision of freezing to death while waiting for a diesel tow in the winter seems feasible to me.
 
Inspector #20 said:
I agree with you on the technological standpoint that EV technogy is the way of the future. However, i do believe it is an infringement on our right to peaceful enjoyment of our daily lives, to be told what we can drive, to be mandated by the government to take a particular course.

My question is, what will be decided for me next????
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Do you know how many elements of your daily life are dictated by government already? Of course you do; but you happen to be passionate about this subject, so you see anything that you view as an intrusion through that lens. We have to be realistic though - goverment has in the past, does now, and will continue to "decide" things for all of us.

Thatbastarddon said:
EV usage in my home climate can be challenging. My vision of freezing to death while waiting for a diesel tow in the winter seems feasible to me.
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Its justa another technical problem that time will solve.
 
I'm all for a sustainable EV platform if they can get it right finally with deficiency-free batteries and not charge the cost of a small house for it. But I'm also totally for finding other alternative vehicle systems too, like Hydrogen that was once going to be our future before Tesla exploded into the mainstream. Recently however due to EV issues, hydrogen has been making some noise again. Are hydrogen-powered cars a better option than electric vehicles?

It's our most abundant resource on the planet and unlike EV, still gives the power of gasoline while being more carbon friendly than EVs can be. I'm a sucker for old gasoline combustion engines, as I've played around with true muscle cars in the past. But, like most things, we gotta roll with the times and look to the future to get away from them eventually with crippling oil prices, global emissions crackdowns and sustainability. So, that's fine ultimately, but we gotta have the pieces in place first and need to get it right. EVs can be fine but not the way they are right now, so it seems a simple transition from one combustible engine source to another yet far cleaner would be ideal first
 
gball said:
Do you know how many elements of your daily life are dictated by government already? Of course you do; but you happen to be passionate about this subject, so you see anything that you view as an intrusion through that lens. We have to be realistic though - goverment has in the past, does now, and will continue to "decide" things for all of us.



Its justa another technical problem that time will solve.
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Perhaps

But i tend to limit government control in my personal life as much as possible. For example, many people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them and i choose to abide by those statutes, even though natural selection begs to argue the point.

I pay taxes, although we know a progressive income tax is unconstitutional.

But, as with all mandates, there comes with it a very dangerous and delicate equilibrium.
 
Clockworkmike said:
I'm all for a sustainable EV platform if they can get it right finally with deficiency-free batteries and not charge the cost of a small house for it. But I'm also totally for finding other alternative vehicle systems too, like Hydrogen that was once going to be our future before Tesla exploded into the mainstream. Recently however due to EV issues, hydrogen has been making some noise again. Are hydrogen-powered cars a better option than electric vehicles?

It's our most abundant resource on the planet and unlike EV, still gives the power of gasoline while being more carbon friendly than EVs can be. I'm a sucker for old gasoline combustion engines, as I've played around with true muscle cars in the past. But, like most things, we gotta roll with the times and look to the future to get away from them eventually with crippling oil prices, global emissions crackdowns and sustainability. So, that's fine ultimately, but we gotta have the pieces in place first and need to get it right. EVs can be fine but not the way they are right now, so it seems a simple transition from one combustible engine source to another yet far cleaner would be ideal first
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Im old fashioned, but do like the technology advances in home energy platforms.

I really like solar (photovoltaic panels) home power using three batteries that switch from battery to battery automatically.

Battery #1 is used in daylight....the system switches to battery #2 at night, then battery #3 the next morning.

We own some extremely remote property where we have mapped out this as a means of supplying power to it.

But, I'll stick with my V8's if you please...
 
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iblive said:
There are growing pains. Pains that’s gonna be here for awhile. Issues that will need to be fixed thru engineering advances that don’t even exist yet. Had you told someone in 1903 we’d be walking on the moon in 60 years, you’d have been committed.

Personally, I’m in no hurry to convert. May not even happen in my lifetime. But for some of you “young” guys it’s gonna happen whether you like it or not. And once they figure things out. It will be good.
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Yup. In the early days of the automobile, automobile owners often heard the taunt, "Get a horse!" when they got stuck in mud, had a flat tire, or ran out of gas. Even in the early days of the gasoline automobile there was vastly insufficient infrastructure. There were too few adequate roadways, too few gas stations, and so-on. But, the infrastructure soon followed until only a couple decades later the gasoline-powered automobile was firmly ensconced in American culture and use.

Just about every major invention has had no infrastructure to support it when it was first developed and had significant technological hurdles. Moreover, they were often ridiculed as just a fad. Such inventions include the automobile, the airplane, the telephone, the electric lightbulb, and the personal computer, just to name a few.
 
smitty_p said:
Yup. In the early days of the automobile, automobile owners often heard the taunt, "Get a horse!" when they got stuck in mud, had a flat tire, or ran out of gas. Even in the early days of the gasoline automobile there was vastly insufficient infrastructure. There were too few adequate roadways, too few gas stations, and so-on. But, the infrastructure soon followed until only a couple decades later the gasoline-powered automobile was firmly ensconced in American culture and use.

Just about every major invention has had no infrastructure to support it when it was first developed and had significant technological hurdles. Moreover, they were often ridiculed as just a fad. Such inventions include the automobile, the airplane, the telephone, the electric lightbulb, and the personal computer, just to name a few.
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You forget about the electric vehicles of the late part of the 19th century. In fact, the EV has been around longer than the gasoline powered automobile.

In all honesty, they haven't come quite as far as other inventions have over the same period.

Around 1884, inventor Thomas Parker helped deploy electric-powered trams and built prototype electric cars in England. By 1890, a Scottish born chemist living in Des Moines, Iowa, William Morrison, applied for a patent on the electric carriage as early as 1887. It appeared in a city parade in 1888, according to the Des Moines Register.

With front-wheel drive, 4 horsepower, and a reported top speed of 20 mph, it had 24 battery cells that needed recharging every 50 miles. Morrison’s self-propelled carriage was a sensation at the 1893 Chicago World’s Fair, also known as the famed World’s Columbian Exhibition.

Morrison himself was more interested in the batteries than in mobility, but he’d sparked the imagination of other inventors.

So, as long as the population has the freedom to choose - or refute - EV's, then i see no problem with it.

Now, if you intend to force me to accept your government mandate, then you have sparked the beginnings of a revolution.
 
1851 - The US Senate funds a prototype electric locomotive, which made a test run from Washington DC to Baltimore MD, a distance of about 40 miles (64 km). Charles Grafton Page, a US patent examiner, designs it and uses his Washington connections to get funding. The motor was like an electric steam engine with a solenoid and iron slug rather than a cylinder and piston. The effort fails when the clay separators in the primary battery cells crack and the solenoid coils overheat and short out as the insulation fails. Steam remains more practical for large-scale power at this point.

1899-1905 - Ferdinand Porsche designs electric and Hybrid cars for Austrian coachbuilder Jacob Lohner & Co. The vehicles from 1900 on use hub-mounted electric motors.
 
Whats interesting & why i am gonna go..ya can talk about anything anti faith & society can attack the proper family & attack my freedoms & and i cant have a belief...what kind a man am i if i dont stick to my principle.... ya'll wanna shut me down..i aint the poonanny rollover that most are..good day..rock on,,i will take my faith ..freedom & belief in family and enjoyt my life
 
BFT Gibson said:
Whats interesting & why i am gonna go..ya can talk about anything anti faith & society can attack the proper family & attack my freedoms & and i cant have a belief...what kind a man am i if i dont stick to my principle.... ya'll wanna shut me down..i aint the poonanny rollover that most are..good day..rock on,,i will take my faith ..freedom & belief in family and enjoyt my life
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Did I miss something? Seriously asking?
 
gball said:
Guys, it's an irrational fear to think that electric vehicle are some kind of infringement on your freedoms. They are the way of the future and will be the standard moving forward, no matter how long the phase-in takes. Best to just accept that technology marches on and no amount of any of us old men being luddites is going to change that fact. Its not a political question and its not rights question or a freedom question - its just the way it is.
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not just the way it is...how about " or just the way 'they" want it...there is 2 sides to this no matter what the media or "they" say...
 
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