5 reasons to sell your tube amp............................

And truth be told... As soon as I saw the video guy holding a strat and talking about vintage vox and fender amps my brain immediately retorted with.... I live in a completely different world than he does. I truly believe he couldn't tell the difference between a Mesa and a Marshall and an Engl.

Maybe I'm just really judgemental... My youngest son often tells me that I am ha ha ha
 
Metallica has used Fractal recording and live since 2013........ reportedly the savings in shipping the huge rigs alone was worth the shift.......
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and the presets they SELL is just icing on the cake...................................
 
Ive long said i have no issues with SS or modeling amps ( hell, i got an SS Marshall that I love and a little modeling Fender Combo that's great). But it's hard to beat the cranked up sound of a simple valved amp, nothing quite hits like it.

It's kinda like sitting in an old classic muscle car with a no-nonsense V8, carbed and cammed up and feeling it thump you. Sure, a modern car is performance on demand and sleeker, but that raw power aspect is missing. That's how i view the amps in comparison.
 
I don't think programming or software will be the be all/end all. Maybe if the correct types of user interfaces are involved. Though I have little experience with modern solid state/replicant type stuff, it seems like a redux of the eighties rack mount stuff. Great if you're in the same situation every day, but heaven forbid you want to tweak a tone knob. I think the people who are absorbed with pursuing this entire spectrum need to look at the fact that ears do not work with just 1s and 0s the way software does.
User interface is huge! While I enjoy my Katana as a practice amp,and the Blu Guitar with 1 magic tube really rocks, I really prefer having different knobs for different channels and not presets. Heaven forbid indeed if you need to change a setting with presets. Then it needs to be resaved etc. While live onstage? Doesn't work for me.
The sound of tubes is certainly not INFERIOR to digital or SS amd I like the heat and even the light buzz tubes sometimes get. I gig with my tube amps for the most part almost exclusively even though I like them all.
 
Metallica has used Fractal recording and live since 2013........ reportedly the savings in shipping the huge rigs alone was worth the shift.......
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and the presets they SELL is just icing on the cake...................................

But they are a big business and have been for a long time now. I love em, but not surprised Metallica,
Inc. went this way since they have a 40 year catalog with really different sounds all over the albums that need to be approximated live (not duplicated) and the newer records? Well, lets just say they aren’t exactly putting the same effort into them that they used to.
 
Ive long said i have no issues with SS or modeling amps ( hell, i got an SS Marshall that I love and a little modeling Fender Combo that's great). But it's hard to beat the cranked up sound of a simple valved amp, nothing quite hits like it.

It's kinda like sitting in an old classic muscle car with a no-nonsense V8, carbed and cammed up and feeling it thump you. Sure, a modern car is performance on demand and sleeker, but that raw power aspect is missing. That's how i view the amps in comparison.
It’s funny. I was thinking of using my ‘59 Harley for the same analogy. Sure, plenty of more modern alternatives. But, the raw energy of something I’ve had for the past forty years can not be substituted. I know it, and know it well. No reason to part with it.
 
I laid in some comments, but I don't think I bashed at all. I tried to be neutral but point out realities. I even went on to say I'd use a modeling amp in a live situation. I don't want to cower away from the fact that me and smitty agreed that they should stop marketing the "We sound like a tube amp" thing when they really don't. They should just stand as they are - a good, decent, or really good digital amplifier that will model but not glass copy a tube amplifier.
 
User interface is huge! While I enjoy my Katana as a practice amp,and the Blu Guitar with 1 magic tube really rocks, I really prefer having different knobs for different channels and not presets. Heaven forbid indeed if you need to change a setting with presets. Then it needs to be resaved etc. While live onstage? Doesn't work for me.

Yeah. For me, a lot comes down to workflow.
 
Here’s another observation, which probably serves little more than to consume a few more kilobytes on a server someplace…but here goes…!

Although I choose to remain blissfully schizophrenic when it comes to this whole topic, as I will happily use any of these technologies, there is a certain irritation I have with the whole processor/modeler thing - and it has nothing to do with how they sound.

The thing that puts fur on my eyeballs is the seeming planned obsolescence and marketing thing. A unit will come out and the marketing hype will be, “We’ve got all these great amp models!” Then, the next unit will come out a few years later and the marketing hype will be, “These amp models are even better!” Of course, there will be the same thing with the next model, “This time we really mean it. These amp models are the best!”

Of course, if you (as in ME!) are the poor sap who bought the earlier model, you’re stuck with a unit that has very low resale value, has no more software/firmware updates, and is likely not even supported by the manufacturer - meaning they won’t fix it even if you offer to pay them - and there are no third-party techs who will fix it either. What makes it even more infuriating is that even if you’re willing to buy the newer model, the patches you spent hours building with the older model may not be uploadable to the newer model. I know this to be true from personal experience.

Now, I realize each manufacturer does things a little differently, so not every issue I described may be true for every one of them, but they are a very real risk. You need to do some real research on whatever you want to buy - both the product and the company.

Again, this is not a commentary on how they sound. And, while I have highlighted some issues, this is not meant to argue against the idea of buying and using processors. But, it does help explain some of the appeal of tube amps. There is a certain timelessness to them.
 
Here’s another observation, which probably serves little more than to consume a few more kilobytes on a server someplace…but here goes…!

Although I choose to remain blissfully schizophrenic when it comes to this whole topic, as I will happily use any of these technologies, there is a certain irritation I have with the whole processor/modeler thing - and it has nothing to do with how they sound.

The thing that puts fur on my eyeballs is the seeming planned obsolescence and marketing thing. A unit will come out and the marketing hype will be, “We’ve got all these great amp models!” Then, the next unit will come out a few years later and the marketing hype will be, “These amp models are even better!” Of course, there will be the same thing with the next model, “This time we really mean it. These amp models are the best!”

Of course, if you (as in ME!) are the poor sap who bought the earlier model, you’re stuck with a unit that has very low resale value, has no more software/firmware updates, and is likely not even supported by the manufacturer - meaning they won’t fix it even if you offer to pay them - and there are no third-party techs who will fix it either. What makes it even more infuriating is that even if you’re willing to buy the newer model, the patches you spent hours building with the older model may not be uploadable to the newer model. I know this to be true from personal experience.

Now, I realize each manufacturer does things a little differently, so not every issue I described may be true for every one of them, but they are a very real risk. You need to do some real research on whatever you want to buy - both the product and the company.

Again, this is not a commentary on how they sound. And, while I have highlighted some issues, this is not meant to argue against the idea of buying and using processors. But, it does help explain some of the appeal of tube amps. There is a certain timelessness to them.
The way I see that is IF I am happy enough with my first version and the sounds are superb and I like it, it matters not. They could be blowing smoke on additional models too.
Example the BluGuitar Amp1 is being replaced with the Amp X.
Crap I just got my Amp 1.
It adds effects! Nice!
But... makes the unit bigger and I was after very small as I also have a few small multi effect units. If it got too much bigger I would just get the H&K Spirit 200 floor amp w effects built in. Kinda defeats the purpose of it for me.
So I am happy with the "old" version here!
 
I always took that as cork-sniffery, as if by being a tube purist one somehow sees themselves as superior to those who don't "get it".

In the end, it's what works for what you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, and the most vocal proponents of profiling/modeling/digital seem to act as if tube amps are somehow relics of the past that stopped being developed by the early '70s, but in reality tube amp technology is evolving right along with those techs, and we see tube amps getting better and more feature-packed as time goes on. To me it makes the adoption of the digital technologies even harder at this time because they are still playing catch up to what the newer tube amps can do.
 
Yeah, and the most vocal proponents of profiling/modeling/digital seem to act as if tube amps are somehow relics of the past that stopped being developed by the early '70s, but in reality tube amp technology is evolving right along with those techs, and we see tube amps getting better and more feature-packed as time goes on. To me it makes the adoption of the digital technologies even harder at this time because they are still playing catch up to what the newer tube amps can do.
Yep.
Put it this way, do tube amps domehow sound worse than anything else?
That is why most other amps try to emulate the sounds of tube amps.
 
Yeah, and the most vocal proponents of profiling/modeling/digital seem to act as if tube amps are somehow relics of the past that stopped being developed by the early '70s, but in reality tube amp technology is evolving right along with those techs, and we see tube amps getting better and more feature-packed as time goes on.


That is very true. Modern tube amps may have a plethora of connectivity options, to include USB connectivity for direct integration with a DAW. That is an angle I hadn’t really considered, even though I recently purchased an amp with all manner of modern features! Shame on me!

But, yes, modern, more professional tube amps often represent a state of development far ahead of amps of years ago.
 
Here’s another observation, which probably serves little more than to consume a few more kilobytes on a server someplace…but here goes…!

Although I choose to remain blissfully schizophrenic when it comes to this whole topic, as I will happily use any of these technologies, there is a certain irritation I have with the whole processor/modeler thing - and it has nothing to do with how they sound.

The thing that puts fur on my eyeballs is the seeming planned obsolescence and marketing thing. A unit will come out and the marketing hype will be, “We’ve got all these great amp models!” Then, the next unit will come out a few years later and the marketing hype will be, “These amp models are even better!” Of course, there will be the same thing with the next model, “This time we really mean it. These amp models are the best!”

Of course, if you (as in ME!) are the poor sap who bought the earlier model, you’re stuck with a unit that has very low resale value, has no more software/firmware updates, and is likely not even supported by the manufacturer - meaning they won’t fix it even if you offer to pay them - and there are no third-party techs who will fix it either. What makes it even more infuriating is that even if you’re willing to buy the newer model, the patches you spent hours building with the older model may not be uploadable to the newer model. I know this to be true from personal experience.

Now, I realize each manufacturer does things a little differently, so not every issue I described may be true for every one of them, but they are a very real risk. You need to do some real research on whatever you want to buy - both the product and the company.

Again, this is not a commentary on how they sound. And, while I have highlighted some issues, this is not meant to argue against the idea of buying and using processors. But, it does help explain some of the appeal of tube amps. There is a certain timelessness to them.
Smitty, I agree with your observation.

I think that can be said for any new "innovation" whether it be modellers, new computers, cell phones, tablets...............................

Someone will always find a more efficient or more realistic or more user friendly way to do something and, inevitably, last year's model becomes obsolete. Unfortunately, that seems to be the way with our high tech consumerism. It builds planned obsolescence and feeds our throw-away culture.
 
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