Opinions please...2x112 cabs vs 1x212 cab?

DirtySteve

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The amp is a Marshall 20 watt JCM800. Which would you prefer, a mini stack with two 112 cabs or a single 212 cab?

If it matters to you, the two 112 cabs are MDF, the one 212 cab is void free ply. ...both closed back.

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Depends what for, Steve. I gig in some small pub type venues and the 2 vertical 1x12s make way more sense and I can hear myself thru the top one better than a 2x12.
I have a couple 2x12s too but it is venue dependent for me. My 2x12s are both angled front so I can properly hear myself. A straight 2x12 woild not be great, for me. The vertical SC2x12 works well too.
 
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Jethro Rocker said:
Depends what for, Steve. I gig in some small pub type venues and the 2 vertical 1x12s make way more sense and I can hear myself thru the top one better than a 2x12.
I have a couple 2x12s too but it is venue dependent for me. My 2x12s are both angled front so I can properly hear myself. A straight 2x12 woild not be great, for me. The vertical SC2x12 works well too.
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Ok, maybe I should have been more specific, my bad. The 112 cabs would be the Marshall MX112R cabs. I already have one, I'm trying to decide if I want to buy another, or buy an SC212 cab instead. One thing I like about the SC cab is the top speaker is angled and it's not as tall as the 2 112 cabs.

I don't gig and don't foresee it in my future. This is strictly for home use and drunk jammin'. :fingersx:
 
DirtySteve said:
Ok, maybe I should have been more specific, my bad. The 112 cabs would be the Marshall MX112R cabs. I already have one, I'm trying to decide if I want to buy another, or buy an SC212 cab instead. One thing I like about the SC cab is the top speaker is angled and it's not as tall as the 2 112 cabs.

I don't gig and don't foresee it in my future. This is strictly for home use and drunk jammin'. :fingersx:
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Seems like the SC would win, to me. Wasn't sure if you were haulin out n jammin here n there but didn't think so with your back.
If you get the SC you have a vertical 2x12 AND a single 1x12.
 
DirtySteve said:
The amp is a Marshall 20 watt JCM800. Which would you prefer, a mini stack with two 112 cabs or a single 212 cab?
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I don't have that amp, but I have used both the 2 x 112 stack and a few 212 cabs.
Personal preference is for the pair of 112's.
I've sold both of the 212's that I've had and almost every amp I have is sitting on a pair of 112's.

One of the main reasons I like 112's is that they are much easier to move around.
Never really noticed any perceptible difference from having the top speaker on a slant in a 212.
And some of my 112 stacks have a slanted top "A" cab.
 
DirtySteve said:
Ok, maybe I should have been more specific, my bad. The 112 cabs would be the Marshall MX112R cabs. I already have one, I'm trying to decide if I want to buy another, or buy an SC212 cab instead. One thing I like about the SC cab is the top speaker is angled and it's not as tall as the 2 112 cabs.

I don't gig and don't foresee it in my future. This is strictly for home use and drunk jammin'. :fingersx:
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I think imho what makes a difference also is the size of the room. For me in the small room I have a single 1 x 12 cab that works but I actually liked the 2 x 10 I had. It was a JTM 30 amp and used the amp like a cab for a different better sounding amp head I have.

Currently I am not even using my vertical 2 x 12 closed back cab. I might need to swap out some speakers. It's a good old Carvin closed back vertical angle cab.
 
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Having 2 speakers, one on top of the other, will sound huge compared to just one - in either a 212 or 2 x 112.
The second speaker up off the floor will make more of a difference than the angle of the speaker.

And I almost forgot I still have some 212's, but they're horizontal, and well, stacked... :rolf:
 
ibmorjamn said:
I think imho what makes a difference also is the size of the room. For me in the small room I have a single 1 x 12 cab that works but I actually liked the 2 x 10 I had. It was a JTM 30 amp and used the amp like a cab for a different better sounding amp head I have.

Currently I am not even using my vertical 2 x 12 closed back cab. I might need to swap out some speakers. It's a good old Carvin closed back vertical angle cab.
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I have a 112 Sourmash cab that I've never really liked much. I've been thinking about replacing the baffle and converting it to a 210 cab, I'm still thinking about it, just haven't committed yet. I have a 10" WGS Veteran 20 and a 10" Scumback M75 that sound great together and I've always thought they should be in the same cab. Plus it'll be a fun project and I've more than gotten my moneys worth out of that cab so if it doesn't work out it's no big deal.
 
fitz said:
Further thoughts....
Having 2 speakers, one on top of the other, will sound huge compared to just one - in either a 212 or 2 x 112.
The second speaker up off the floor will make more of a difference than the angle of the speaker.

And I almost forgot I still have some 212's, but they're horizontal, and well, stacked... :rolf:
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I keep my amp up off the floor as it is. I was just thinking that by replacing the stand with another speaker the bottom speaker in either a 212 or stacked 112s would just beef up the overall sound in the room, even though I know I'm mostly only going to hear the top speaker most of the time. I just had the thought that the option of spreading out 2 cabs would be a cool option to have, too...can't do that with a 212.

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I think you answered your question one more single 12"
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I keep my amp up off the floor as it is. I was just thinking the bottom speaker in either a 212 or stacked 112s would just beef up the overall sound in the room, even though I know I'm mostly only going to hear the top speaker most of the time. I just thought about the option of spreading out 2 cabs, too...can't do that with a 212.

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fitz said:
What don't you like?
Speaker, size, cosmetics?
You could always stack (or spread) the SC20 & MX112 with it for some experimentation.
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First off it's not the cab I ordered, I talked to him in emails about the cab and we came up with a 112 cab that was smaller width and height, but would be deeper to compensate. He made a custom cab for a guy on the MF and it was going to be basically the same thing and we talked about it. But when I got my cab it was his standard Marshall style 112 cab...not what I wanted, but I didn't want to go thru the hassle of returning it and waiting for him to build another cab so I just bit my lip and kept it.

Well, over time and countless speaker swaps I just never really liked the sound of the cab no matter what I tried. I was playing a makeshift cab that I converted out of an MG15 for a 10" speaker and I played it more than the Sourmash cab. For reference, when I bought my MX112R cab it was awesome right from the git go, it sounds way better that the Sourmash cab ever did and I have since compared them side by side. I can't put my finger on what it is about that cab, I just don't like it, not the look or the sound. If turning into a 210 doesn't make me love it it's going right in the dumpster and I won't give it a second thought.
 
If your happy how the amp sounds why not look for a 4 x 12" cabinet I have never played a 20 watt JCM800 but have
serviced many 50 and 100 watt ones what wood is the cabinet you don't care for made out of wood wise
I'm surprised you like the MX12R made out of MDF cardboard paper thinking about it could be dampening some harsh frequency
your amp is producing they were designed for the Marshall DSL amps that sound like crap to me.

 
67plexi said:
If your happy how the amp sounds why not look for a 4 x 12" cabinet I have never played a 20 watt JCM800 but have
serviced many 50 and 100 watt ones what wood is the cabinet you don't care for made out of wood wise
I'm surprised you like the MX12R made out of MDF cardboard paper thinking about it could be dampening some harsh frequency
your amp is producing they were designed for the Marshall DSL amps that sound like crap to me.

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Man, you don't punctuate, it's very difficult to read your posts. No offence intended, just saying...

The SC212 cab is ply, that's one of the reasons I thought it might be better. I don't know, like I said before, the MX112 cab sounds better than my Sourmash cab that is supposed to be void free Birch ply. I don't know. I don't feel like the MDF is an issue. Maybe it's because I have play low volume so it doesn't come into play? I agree with you about the DSL, I bought years ago and I couldn't get rid of it fast enough, the DSL is not for me. lol
 
I think the MDF helps it wont resonate like Baltic birch will, I build my cabinets with redwood plywood nice mid range and light weight
Baltic birch is more high frequency dominant
 
67plexi said:
I think the MDF helps it wont resonate like Baltic birch will, I build my cabinets with redwood plywood nice mid range and light weight
Baltic birch is more high frequency dominant
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Thanks for that insight. That may very well be a reason I don't like the cab. My main issue with it is that it's bright and thin, lows are either boomy or nonexistent. I never once ever in my wildest dreams would have thought it was the wood...wow, it makes perfect sense now that you said it.

I guess putting 2 10" speakers in it isn't going to work either, but I might try it anyway, just to see.
 
DirtySteve said:
Thanks for that insight. That may very well be a reason I don't like the cab. My main issue with it is that it's bright and thin, lows are either boomy or nonexistent. I never once ever in my wildest dreams would have thought it was the wood...wow, it makes perfect sense now that you said it.

I guess putting 2 10" speakers in it isn't going to work either, but I might try it anyway, just to see.
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The 10's will surprise you. I just don't buy in to the every cab has to Baltic void free Birch. I like the MX cabs to.
Stranger than that I played a 2 x 12 Blackstar closed back cab (I bet it was MDF) but with 70/80's it sounded really good for the amp I was playing (GC)
I felt the exact same way about the DSL as you Steve however , listening to the Newer HR 20 it could work for me.
 
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