WILL they cease to exist?

are tubes going to be obsolete?

  • yes

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • no

    Votes: 17 56.7%

  • why dont you find a real hobby

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • pizza for 300 Alex

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • Norm really works for Godin in the Marketing Dept. ;)

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Total voters
    30
IF YOU NEED TO SEND THE AMPEG OVER HERE VOX, Im happy to give it a daily work out -- lol

The AMpeg SVT is a great tube bass amp--
but at 2700.00 for 300 watts----- its just not Ferengi approved -- nor practical for home use thats 9.00 watt
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I have a 60 watt hartke SS that was (yep) 60.00 --- thats 1.00 pr watt

I dont play good enough to spend 9 times the $ ;)
 
Tube amps will be gone, but after we are long gone. Maybe after the Millennial's children are gone? And I don't think it will be modeling amps. It will be a far more efficient version of Kemper. The profiles will be perfect (taken from the actual amps), and you will be able to describe the tone in your head verbally to the machine and you will get it. It will be intuitive. The device will likely be very small, and simply connect to a cabinet or PA or whatever.

As usual, guitar player's loyalty to vintage gear and tech has been a disincentive to progress and innovation in the field, but when our nostalgia dies, tubes will go with it.
 
Im sure the players of the 50's --- had you shown them the new SPARK amp---would have laughed and called it a toy-- (most would have probably said it was VOODOO and WTF is a COMPUTER?!?!?!) so its true what the "kids" will be playing 70 years from now are things we probably can not even imagine -- or have the ability to prognosticate on as the foundations of such things do not exist.

if you had shown me a 5 or 6 string bass in 1980 -----Id have called you names and said that will never work(probably woulda even insulted your Mama) --now I just want to hit you in the head with a REAL PROPER 4 string bass.... :)

see progress........ wait.............
 
eSGEe said:
Completely ---- however I dont agree with --- I think there will always be a pocket of old -- vitnage stuff---now you may pay 125.00 for a 12 AX7 tube in 2025 -- but I think SOME enterprising Ferengi will keep the glow alive
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That’s very possible.

As an example of this sort of thing being done in another market, we can look at fountain pens - another one of my interests. Decades ago, many fountain pens used a small rubber sac inside the pen body that was attached to the nib. A small lever on the outside of the pen is used to compress the internal sac while the nib is submerged in ink. As the lever is gradually released, the sac expands, drawing in the ink.

Where this applies to the current topic is that, to my knowledge, no fountain pens are made today with the old sac and lever system. They either use screw-type converters or cartridges. However, because there are so many of these old-style fountain pens still in use by enthusiasts, there are still some small companies that still make the sacs for those old fountain pens. The sac is really the only part that wears out.

Similarly, there are millions of tube amps out there. So, I would expect there will be someone who will keep making tubes for those amps in use, even if amp builders were to stop making tube amps.
 
There is no disincentive to progress since after trying both more ears than not go to tube amps, it's very simple. For 60 years or so the best they came up with has a few converts, and that's not for the lack of trying. Heck, tube amps are a 1930's technology! Years ago I got a call from a major player in the music industry, you'll have to guess as I'm sworn to secrecy, wanting to borrow my Fender BF Twin saying they knew I had a " good one " . of course I had to lend it but I told em, yea, cause I got NOS quads of RCA Blackplates in there but if I put in Phillips big bottles not so much. But the big bottles sound best in the Boogies while those Boogies tubes are 30 years old. I asked them what are you going to do? Sample it or something? Answer: something like that! I guess my security clearance wasn't as high as I thought! I was in the "vault" a few times, just like a bank vault door w/a giant big, room on the other side and all I can say is I've seen products being developed that hadn't appeared on the market for 6 years. I was also reminded that I didn't see anything that I see in there. Since then I'd have to have a "meeting " with the Men In Black!
 
Vox AC30 said:
There is no disincentive to progress since after trying both more ears than not go to tube amps, it's very simple. For 60 years or so the best they came up with has a few converts, and that's not for the lack of trying. Heck, tube amps are a 1930's technology! Years ago I got a call from a major player in the music industry, you'll have to guess as I'm sworn to secrecy, wanting to borrow my Fender BF Twin saying they knew I had a " good one " . of course I had to lend it but I told em, yea, cause I got NOS quads of RCA Blackplates in there but if I put in Phillips big bottles not so much. But the big bottles sound best in the Boogies while those Boogies tubes are 30 years old. I asked them what are you going to do? Sample it or something? Answer: something like that! I guess my security clearance wasn't as high as I thought! I was in the "vault" a few times, just like a bank vault door w/a giant big, room on the other side and all I can say is I've seen products being developed that hadn't appeared on the market for 6 years. I was also reminded that I didn't see anything that I see in there. Since then I'd have to have a "meeting " with the Men In Black!
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Chappers took the challenge. The tech will only get better

 
THE thing I have learned about Modeling amps----and Ive owned a few(o.k. a lot) ---

HEY ITS MY THREAD SO I CAN HIGH JACK IT! -- without recourse or bitching--

is hybrid amps are giving "glimpses"....and "tastes" of the ACTUAL tone -- for fractions of the $$$$$$$

Ive (recently) played the Fender Super Champs MODEL setting for --- A VOX ("British") tone--- side by side (literally they TOUCH) through 10 " speakers similar volume level --- similar settings-----with a VOX AC4tv 10"
the Fender does a VERY VERY close version of VOX ---- VERY close -- is it IDENTICAL....nope
DOES IT REALLY MATTER????? -- to me -- NOPE --(because you know 10 different VOX tube amps sound DIFFERENT!!!)
same tests with the MEsa and other modeling amps-- same with the Marshall (and I have owned SS-Tube -- and hybrid -- and MODELING Marshall amps) -- and the models dont ALWAYS (really they never) sound EXACTLY like a given amp --- (but neither does seriel # 1256 and seriel # 1278 off the same ASSEMBLY LINE)

EVERYONE HERE IS RIGHT -- a MODELING AMP -- is NEVER going to sound like a real Dumble (never) its never going to sound EXACTLY like a 67 VOX -- or a 59 Fender -- ever-- cant--

AND I will open a separate argument that says the SAME (IDENTICAL) 59 Champ---- sounded DIFFERENT in 1959 when purchased than that same exact damn amp sounds NOW--today...
I have owned the same amp that sounded very different in a a living room with a Cathedral ceiling, cedar walls and tile floors---(sounded like ASS) -- then the same amp--in a MUCH smaller room with dry wall and carpet, it sounds AWESOME!

REALITY:--- if you dont have 1.5 million to spend on GETTING every classic -- vintage -- ICONIC amp -- you get a chance to get a FEEL for the TONE that comes out of those "ICONS" -- you get a CHANCE to see how your tone MIGHT sound through a Dumble -- or a 59 Champ--- and it sounds -- well GOOD--

then -- you take 17 pedals and effects -- and ALTER that tone -- and at that point --- it doesnt sound like ANY DUmble ever--
but neither WOULD the REAL DUMBLE after you hook 17 pedals to it....................but-- if either OR BOTH of the tones make you smile-- GREAT--
the reality being MILLIONS of folks will never get to hear the ACTUAL sound of their playing through any of the ICONIC amps

-- the bottom line is it doesnt matter---many iconic records have been recorded with both SS and with Tube -- and with Hybrid and now days with SOFTWARE and no amp at all-- instruments STRAIGHT into the board!!!! OH THE HORROR!

Ive had 4 VOX AC4s -- mini the TV (twice) and now the AC4tv "10" -- and they all sounded different-- same circuit-- (according to VOX) different cabs different speaker sizes............


now-- if the idiot that started this thread will kindly.............................................oh , wait..............son of a bit...............
 
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