OP
The general consensus is the C-19 mod is laregly done by bedroom players who never drive the amp. I think it is unnecessary...
I agree...your vintage amps are light years better...
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The general consensus is the C-19 mod is laregly done by bedroom players who never drive the amp. I think it is unnecessary...
I agree...your vintage amps are light years better...
OP
Let's talk about V3/V4 tubes - in this case, in the DSL40C - and what kind of tone influence they might have????
Thanks, Robert. I’ll see if I can try it this weekend. But it is NAMM weekend and I might be busy
syscokid
Ambassador of War & Peace
I wish I had a DSL40C to give you an honest answer...
Want my shipping address?
OP
Ok,
So the other night, we got together just to fiddle with a couple of songs and pieces of new gear. We played in the bassist's garage on 01/22/2019 and recorded the event. I cut out a few sections that I felt gave a good tonal representation of how my current rig sounds. You won't hear any stellar musicianship...and we didn't have our singer on hand, so the vocals are super-rough, but I think I was able to showcase the tone of the setup well enough you can get an idea of what it sounds like live and not direct out through a DAW like you hear on all my recordings.
The song excerpts you will hear on this clip are "The Ocean," "Green Manalishi" and "Diamonds & Rust."
Here's the setup:
Stock 2016 Gibson Les Paul (totally stock, 498T, no shielding, PCB in place) volume and tone knobs always full-up - bridge pickup only
Unmodified Marshall (as in no C-19 mod, clipped resistors, stock biased) DSL40C with 12" WGS Reaper (50 watt Custom) with 55 Hz cone
The amp is tubed as follows:
Pre-Amp
V1 - JJ-ECC823
V2 - JJ-5751
V3 - JJ-ECC83-MG
V4 - 7025WA
Power Amp
EL-34 Electro-Harmonix Russian Made
Amp settings as shown in the image below - These settings were never changed, even when the songs played changed. The only difference you hear is attack:
Microphone used was Shure SM-57 placed as shown in lower right corner at edge of speaker frame:
I'm running 30 feet of 'Easy-Lock' cable I bought new in 1988 (no joke) into my Korg Pitchblack Tuner. No effects used. NO effects added during mixdown.
Here's the clip. I edited out some stuff to try and get the best representation of my tone. Some of our banter was left in. Total length of the clip is 4:08
Just for fun...At 1:19 you will hear my speaking voice, "I screwed up on that on the intro part..."
At 1:36 I imitate Dr. McCoy from Star Trek and say "Damnit Jim!"
And a Beavis & Butthead grunt at 1:44
Thoughts???
DSL40C SoundClips
So the other night, we got together just to fiddle with a couple of songs and pieces of new gear. We played in the bassist's garage on 01/22/2019 and recorded the event. I cut out a few sections that I felt gave a good tonal representation of how my current rig sounds. You won't hear any stellar musicianship...and we didn't have our singer on hand, so the vocals are super-rough, but I think I was able to showcase the tone of the setup well enough you can get an idea of what it sounds like live and not direct out through a DAW like you hear on all my recordings.
The song excerpts you will hear on this clip are "The Ocean," "Green Manalishi" and "Diamonds & Rust."
Here's the setup:
Stock 2016 Gibson Les Paul (totally stock, 498T, no shielding, PCB in place) volume and tone knobs always full-up - bridge pickup only
Unmodified Marshall (as in no C-19 mod, clipped resistors, stock biased) DSL40C with 12" WGS Reaper (50 watt Custom) with 55 Hz cone
The amp is tubed as follows:
Pre-Amp
V1 - JJ-ECC823
V2 - JJ-5751
V3 - JJ-ECC83-MG
V4 - 7025WA
Power Amp
EL-34 Electro-Harmonix Russian Made
Amp settings as shown in the image below - These settings were never changed, even when the songs played changed. The only difference you hear is attack:
Microphone used was Shure SM-57 placed as shown in lower right corner at edge of speaker frame:
I'm running 30 feet of 'Easy-Lock' cable I bought new in 1988 (no joke) into my Korg Pitchblack Tuner. No effects used. NO effects added during mixdown.
Here's the clip. I edited out some stuff to try and get the best representation of my tone. Some of our banter was left in. Total length of the clip is 4:08
Just for fun...At 1:19 you will hear my speaking voice, "I screwed up on that on the intro part..."
At 1:36 I imitate Dr. McCoy from Star Trek and say "Damnit Jim!"
And a Beavis & Butthead grunt at 1:44
Thoughts???
DSL40C SoundClips
chilipeppermaniac
Ambassador of Decibels
Sure sounds good to me, Robert.
OP
I think I am getting closer to that sound I have in my head. What amazes me is how clean this tone sounds by itself!!!!!
OP
OP
Perfect! I only use it for certain things - like the "clean" chorus section of 'Perfect Strangers' - but it works well and the ECC823 doesn't seem to affect the 'green' side at all. (kinda what everyone was telling me)
OP
I didn't play any solos that night, but even the solos sound nice and full. The tone compliments the bass.
syscokid
Ambassador of War & Peace
Positive progress... :dood:
OP
I'm curious about the V3/V4 tubes, but I now hate t mess with it. All the bandmembers agreed that's the sound they all like the best...
syscokid
Ambassador of War & Peace
Clarifying from a technical point of view, the phase inverter tube is always part of the power amp circuit. Sometimes only half of a triode type of tube is used for phase inverter duties, while the other half is doing pre-amp duties.
bea
AmBASSador of the F Clef
Then leave it as it is now. Never change a winning team.
OP
chilipeppermaniac
Ambassador of Decibels
Ut oh, Robert had a stroke
OP
Just curious to know why this tube is so popular????