The Slow Death of the Electric Guitar?

syscokid said:
So you had to go there...
Mayer is got a very flowing, beautiful, and very clean touch to his style of playing. But JM doesn't even come close to Jimmy Page's creativity when it comes to composition and arranging of guitars in whatever style he choses. Who's hooks and melodies do you remember more? The simple main riff of "Whole Lotta Love", the intro to The Rover, the rambling groove line of Black Dog. I can't think of anything that stands out from JM in that respect.
Ok... I feel better now... :popcorn:
Click to expand...
Page "re-arranged" those tunes from what I have seen and heard.

He gets points for artful sloppiness, but the days of sloppy rock are over, as are the wooden wheel and the inner tube. we can do better now.
 
He has the right type of heart. I saw him in a Clapton Crossroads concert. WOW is all I have to say.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RVA
That whole Jimmy Page and sloppiness theme is got some merit, and beaten to death, but it's mainly irrelevant compared to his unique approach in putting some music together. His stuff is timeless, much like many other guitarists of that era. Bring back the wooden wheel and inner tube... show the youth where the soul comes from... misuse of modern technologies is turning out youths of useless idiots (Is this some kind of Einstein quote?)

WE NEED A REVOLUTION... :brothel:
 
As for the idea of the electric guitar "dying" I think the title of the article I posted is a little dramatic.

Honestly, it may wane in popularity. But, that's okay. As in many of these discussions, I don't like to think of it as "either...or." It's really more of a "both...and" proposition. There is room both for music with electric guitar and music without electric guitar. I really don't need to feel validated in my choice to play electric guitars by sales figures. I play it because I like it.

But, when you think about it...not a single instrument that has had any real degree of popularity in the last 100 years has "died." They may have changed in prevalence, but they are still there. Take the upright bass. The electric bass did not "kill" it. The upright bass has just assumed a different, though less prevalent, role.
 
syscokid said:
That whole Jimmy Page and sloppiness theme is got some merit, and beaten to death, but it's mainly irrelevant compared to his unique approach in putting some music together. His stuff is timeless, much like many other guitarists of that era. Bring back the wooden wheel and inner tube... show the youth where the soul comes from... misuse of modern technologies is turning out youths of useless idiots (Is this some kind of Einstein quote?)

WE NEED A REVOLUTION... :brothel:
Click to expand...
He has no respect for the copyright in my opinion - none! Hence, he has much less "theme than he is given credit for - and he gets none from me. His stuff is timeless in that it pre-dates his performances in my opinion!
 
smitty_p said:
As for the idea of the electric guitar "dying" I think the title of the article I posted is a little dramatic.

Honestly, it may wane in popularity. But, that's okay. As in many of these discussions, I don't like to think of it as "either...or." It's really more of a "both...and" proposition. There is room both for music with electric guitar and music without electric guitar. I really don't need to feel validated in my choice to play electric guitars by sales figures. I play it because I like it.

But, when you think about it...not a single instrument that has had any real degree of popularity in the last 100 years has "died." They may have changed in prevalence, but they are still there. Take the upright bass. The electric bass did not "kill" it. The upright bass has just assumed a different, though less prevalent, role.
Click to expand...
The less guitarists, the more I rise in the ranks. I fear that is the only way for me - elimination, not conquest!
 
RVA said:
He has no respect for the copyright in my opinion - none! Hence, he has much less "theme than he is given credit for - and he gets none from me. His stuff is timeless in that it pre-dates his performances in my opinion!
Click to expand...
So that's what it boils down to. You personally dislike Page because of your view on his ethics. I can respect that. On the other hand though, it doesn't diminish the fact that his guitar playing of the late 60s thru the 70s was a very inspiring force for wannabe guitar heroes.
 
In the documentary "It might get loud", they discussed how use of the guitar seems to be dying, but always seems to comeback in different contexts. I just bought the Blu Ray. The deleted scenes were worth it. Page, the Edge, and Jack White pay homage to their roots. I love that documentary. They each have a love of the gear, but it also covers the journey for each.
 
Unless you grow up in a musical vacuum, you will inevitably draw on what went before. For me, that's what music is. It's an evolution. There are changes, not reinventions.
 
syscokid said:
So that's what it boils down to. You personally dislike Page because of your view on his ethics. I can respect that. On the other hand though, it doesn't diminish the fact that his guitar playing of the late 60s thru the 70s was a very inspiring force for wannabe guitar heroes.
Click to expand...
No, that is the issue that does away with the creativity part. His sloppiness is the talisman of the talent part.
 
RVA said:
The less guitarists, the more I rise in the ranks. I fear that is the only way for me - elimination, not conquest!
Click to expand...
Haha! Now that is funny I dont care who you are.
And its even more true for me too!!!

copyright thing aside, which has some merit, I think the Sloppy Jimmy thing is way over blown.
I hear what might be a flub during the solo on the studio record version of The Ocean at about 3:25.
I love playing the lick / rhythm / verse parts of that song.

He is human (I think) and plays with a lot of feel and a go for it attitude.
I prefer that over the super perfect technique guys who can sound just kind of dry and cold to me at times.
Joe Bonamassa comes to mind, I like him but sometimes fits the example.

Forget the speed guys I get tired of that real fast, though I acknowledge their skill level.

Off topic but so anyway, I've been trying to nail down playing Heart full of Soul (Clapton era on the recording I think, though the videos show Jeff Beck might be Beck though with the Fuzz and all....)

The chord changes going from Bb to Dm and Bb to F or Fmaj7 are giving me fits.
Maybe I just need a 335 type guitar like Chris Dreja (i think)

Wierd I can play all of those chords ok and switch from to others but these combos just
mess with my head.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RVA
How can you knock a guy who's real middle name is Marshall?
I wonder if that helped Jimi swing the deal for tech service when he bought some of Jim Marshall's amps to tour the UK with?

I believe it was Allen at first but his dad changed it or something.

Until the J. Edgar hoover and the FBI or CIA murdered him because of his popularity / influence and ties to the Black Panthers.

Besides I think Jimi just copied SRV.
 
DonP said:
Sloppiness is getting criticised quite a bit. So what do we think of the sloppiest guitarist of all time - Jimi Hendrix?
Click to expand...
I do not hear it. If I have been ignorant of it and it is there, he will always have innovation on his side. That said, I am not a die hard fan. I rarely leave a Jimi song on anymore. For me, he is more of an important historical figure
 
Jimi- Many of his recordings are covers of previous blues artists. I now have a deep love of the blues (including traditional blues). It got me into Stevie Ray Vaughan, Albert Collins, and newer artists including John Mayer (among many others).

Rarely my musical intetests come from nowhere. I was in a Tower Records store years ago. They were playing the album The Paladins - Let's Buzz. First impulse buy of a cd. It was under Blues. Back then, I wouldn't consider it blues. My perspectives have changed since then.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RVA
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top