The Kemper Thread:

Robert Herndon said:
I would never profile my own amps. My desire for the Kemper is for a studio-quality tone playing live. Listen to what Strauss is getting from the Boss GT-1000. She kicks off at 11:30

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Would only get the profiler if i could profile mine. Guess it what has built our original sound..which we do have..so the importance of keeping that sound & not copying is the whole game to me.
 
Robert Herndon said:
I hear so many better tones than mine...I wouldn't hesitate to generate those tones live...
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Me either but when you have spent a lifetime doing originals..crafting that sound..its dialed in so precise...sound way better live than the recordings cause i never thought of anything else than being a live band. The studio..i just get it over with cause its a necessary thing to capture songs & been a means of pay over the years. I enjoy it at home but aint gnna put nothing on those recorded guitars .. i want t play it right into the mic.. just been a preference over the years. The kemper becomes very attractive cause i dont use effects, except pushing a fender into break & just want my amp
 
how many layers of profile before it sounds nothing like the original amp ?

In other words Ray you profile the Marshall amp you own by micing it and "capturing the tone" -- then BFT profiles that profile you send him but through his rig, and mic.--- and Sp8ctre takes BFT's profile and profiles it through HIS rig and mic and sends it back to Ray -- to compare to the actual Marshall..............................will it sound like a marshall at all?
Could be a fun PROFILE/'speriment

Also anyone know the licks and the lolipop number?

its 3
 
eSGEe said:
how many layers of profile before it sounds nothing like the original amp ?

In other words Ray you profile the Marshall amp you own by micing it and "capturing the tone" -- then BFT profiles that profile you send him but through his rig, and mic.--- and Sp8ctre takes BFT's profile and profiles it through HIS rig and mic and sends it back to Ray -- to compare to the actual Marshall..............................will it sound like a marshall at all?
Could be a fun PROFILE/'speriment

Also anyone know the licks and the lolipop number?

its 3
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It doesn’t work like that. When Ray profiles an amp of his, sends the profile file off to BFT...BFT can load the profile to a Kemper, and it should output a sound like Ray’s amp.
 
But it COULD work like that -- for "fun" sake --couldnt it?? ---just to see how it alters....or doesnt ?

I get the concept--profiles--are like presets shared on other amp platforms (Fender Fuse-- Vox Valvetronics etc) --but on steroids.

Im still skeptical and curios --
if Ray profiles his Marshall-- and plays it through his Kemper (with patented kemper cabinet) in his room it sounds the same
but he sends the profile to Sp8ctre he plays it through his kemper -- with a different cab in a different ambient space does it REALLY sound the same ?
How can we even know? -- can we record both profiles-- in both spaces through a board or other divice and chart the highs and lows and tones?
we cant hear them at the same time -- on opposite ends of the country -- it would have ot be through a board-- the same board--to be 100% accurate --allhumans hear different 6 people in the same room here the same sound differently .......so we must remove the human eliment and make it all digital -- trackable......proof positivable (My word its copy written dont use it )

I do see the point-- HEY I BEEN PEDALING MODELING AMPS TECHNOLOGY FOR A DECADE -- I think its an awesome "concept"
--I presently own 2 hybrid "modelers" --Im a FAN --
But I cant believe the 69 Marshall 100 watt head -- profile-- through the 72 Crate Cabinet 4x12 profile -- using 8 preset pedal effects........actually SOUNDS like that identical rig did live at a concert in 1980 at the Palladium .........and since we have no way of ever possibly proving it -- the profile and modeling marketing machines will continue to get our $ ;)
 
eSGEe said:
how many layers of profile before it sounds nothing like the original amp ?

In other words Ray you profile the Marshall amp you own by micing it and "capturing the tone" -- then BFT profiles that profile you send him but through his rig, and mic.--- and Sp8ctre takes BFT's profile and profiles it through HIS rig and mic and sends it back to Ray -- to compare to the actual Marshall..............................will it sound like a marshall at all?
Could be a fun PROFILE/'speriment

Also anyone know the licks and the lolipop number?

its 3
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You only profile amps directly. The Kemper does not profile itself. Each profile is a snapshot of a mic'd amp with whatever settings it has dialed in at that time. When you buy a pack of profiles for an amp, they give you 30 to 60 profiles of one amp with different EQ and gain settings and sometimes with different pedals in front, like a Klon, or King of Tone
 
eSGEe said:
But it COULD work like that -- for "fun" sake --couldnt it?? ---just to see how it alters....or doesnt ?

I get the concept--profiles--are like presets shared on other amp platforms (Fender Fuse-- Vox Valvetronics etc) --but on steroids.

Im still skeptical and curios --
if Ray profiles his Marshall-- and plays it through his Kemper (with patented kemper cabinet) in his room it sounds the same
but he sends the profile to Sp8ctre he plays it through his kemper -- with a different cab in a different ambient space does it REALLY sound the same ?
How can we even know? -- can we record both profiles-- in both spaces through a board or other divice and chart the highs and lows and tones?
we cant hear them at the same time -- on opposite ends of the country -- it would have ot be through a board-- the same board--to be 100% accurate --allhumans hear different 6 people in the same room here the same sound differently .......so we must remove the human eliment and make it all digital -- trackable......proof positivable (My word its copy written dont use it )

I do see the point-- HEY I BEEN PEDALING MODELING AMPS TECHNOLOGY FOR A DECADE -- I think its an awesome "concept"
--I presently own 2 hybrid "modelers" --Im a FAN --
But I cant believe the 69 Marshall 100 watt head -- profile-- through the 72 Crate Cabinet 4x12 profile -- using 8 preset pedal effects........actually SOUNDS like that identical rig did live at a concert in 1980 at the Palladium .........and since we have no way of ever possibly proving it -- the profile and modeling marketing machines will continue to get our $ ;)
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That is why most people want an FRFR cab - it provides the greatest possibility of consistency. Theoretically, the only difference should be the guitar and the room dynamics. Other things may also apply, like using a 50 foot cable and thereby losing high end, but with an FRFR cab, the biggest variation should be the guitar, which is true of any amp
 
eSGEe said:
FOR CLARITY and scope -- my preferred "tone" -- is a bass (any bass) --clean no pedals---through a 60.00 hartke b600 combo amp
so
WTF do I know..............................
;)
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The Kemper does bass too....comes with around 90 profiles....lots of Tech21, Ampeg, Orange, HiWatt, Fender....etc...
That’s why I still find it interesting. I have a pair of Peavey 15 inch powered PA speakers that could handle the passive profiler....or there’s always the main P.A. pushing around 3400Watts through a pair of 2x15 loaded JBL speaker cabs, and a pair of 18 inch subwoofers. But I usually just DI into that while cranking another traditional bass amp...my spleen loves it ;) ....
 
RVA said:
That is why most people want an FRFR cab - it provides the greatest possibility of consistency. Theoretically, the only difference should be the guitar and the room dynamics. Other things may also apply, like using a 50 foot cable and thereby losing high end, but with an FRFR cab, the biggest variation should be the guitar, which is true of any amp
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FRFR???
 
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