Possible NGD. Wish me luck!

Gahr said:
I FINALLY got to play the guitar plugged today! It sounds SWEET through the Gibson Skylark amp. I was expecting it to sound different from the Derek Trucks SG, but the difference was a lot bigger than I expected. The amp is really bright, so I have to turn down the tone controls on the SG to around 4 to find my sweet spot. With the Goldtop 8 is fine. I suppose pickup placement has something to do with it, and I guess the different electronics have something to do with it as well. The pickups are different too, but I've played the amp with 57 Classics before, and still had to turn down the tone control more then. ANYWAY, I really like what I'm hearing. I have a feeling I'll try putting the Throbak PG-102s in the Goldtop, to see what they will sound like in a different guitar. No matter what pickups I end up with I will need something with the Peter Green mod, because I miss the out of phase sound already!:D
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Go for the Peter Green mod Gahr...I've done that with my SG. I flipped the neck pick up around and wired it permanently out of phase when the selector switch is in the middle position. Both volumes have to be the same on both pups in order to get that optimal nasally tone which I really love. I highly recommend it.;)


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BlackSG91 said:
Go for the Peter Green mod Gahr...I've done that with my SG. I flipped the neck pick up around and wired it permanently out of phase when the selector switch is in the middle position. Both volumes have to be the same on both pups in order to get that optimal nasally tone which I really love. I highly recommend it.;)


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Three of my SGs have Peter Green modded pickups. In one of them the pickups had the magnet flipped by the producer (Throbak PG-102) and on two of them I have done it myself. The Goldtop will get the mod as well eventually. I just don't have the time right now, and I have to decide on what pickups will go in what gutar too...
 
Sp8ctre said:
...just a note, you MUST flip the actual magnet for a Peter Green effect.
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Not really even though Peter Green done it. Just slip on electrical shrink wrap over the metal braided wire from the pick ups so they do not make contact with the ground connection. It works the same IMHO.


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BlackSG91 said:
Not really even though Peter Green done it. Just slip on electrical shrink wrap over the metal braided wire from the pick ups so they do not make contact with the ground connection. It works the same IMHO.


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It may work or sound the same in your opinion, but the pickups are not truly out of phase without a magnet flip.

I've consulted with quite a few pickup winders on this and it's not just an opinion...
 
Sp8ctre said:
It may work or sound the same in your opinion, but the pickups are not truly out of phase without a magnet flip.

I've consulted with quite a few pickup winders on this and it's not just an opinion...
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Flipping the magnet is just one option and being truly out of phase is just a perception if you feel that way. It can be tricky if you don't have experience at it but I'm not against flipping the magnet at all...I just find it easier reversing the wires on the pups. To each his own I guess.


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Am I the only one that doesn't like that "out-of-phase" thing? I think I must be. Sounds like something is wrong with the guitar to me. I can't even stand the 2 and 4 positions on Strats.
 
With a pup with 4-conductor wiring (plus the bare grounding wire), all you got to do is reverse the hot and cold lead connection (keep the bare wire grounded). Or put the leads on a switch for the best of both worlds. I tried the magnet flip mod and the wiring mod, and I could not tell the difference between the two. I'm sure Eric Johnson could, though...

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gball said:
Am I the only one that doesn't like that "out-of-phase" thing? I think I must be. Sounds like something is wrong with the guitar to me. I can't even stand the 2 and 4 positions on Strats.
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I like it as an option to the regular in-phase double pickup position. I likes me some good quack, too.

BTW, you are Ambassador of ??????????
 
syscokid said:
With a pup with 4-conductor wiring (plus the bare grounding wire), all you got to do is reverse the hot and cold lead connection (keep the bare wire grounded). Or put the leads on a switch for the best of both worlds. I tried the magnet flip mod and the wiring mod, and I could not tell the difference between the two. I'm sure Eric Johnson could, though...

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I installed a neck pick up on switch on my '98 American Std. Strat which I just love. Now I can have just the bridge pup and neck pup on at the same time and they are out of phase or all 3 pups on for a really sparkling type of tone. It's the best and simplest mod I've done on my Strat with the 2 extra sounds for a total of 7 instead of 5 possible pick up combos.


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syscokid said:
With a pup with 4-conductor wiring (plus the bare grounding wire), all you got to do is reverse the hot and cold lead connection (keep the bare wire grounded). Or put the leads on a switch for the best of both worlds. I tried the magnet flip mod and the wiring mod, and I could not tell the difference between the two. I'm sure Eric Johnson could, though...

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All of my pups are two wire. All of the winders I talked to including the one who wound the set I want changed told
me I had to flip the magnet...
 
Figured it was just me. I know this is guitar-player sacrilege, but I am not a fan of PG's tone, sounds like something is "missing" to me.
 
Sp8ctre said:
All of my pups are two wire. All of the winders I talked to including the one who wound the set I want changed told
me I had to flip the magnet...
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With a two wire, you're best to flip the magnet, but...
I remember somebody posted this in another thread and/or forum: You can actually do it to a two-wire.

Except if the 2-conductor wire has a braided shield as one of the conductors, the braided conductor won't be grounded anymore and therefore there won't be all the extra metal shield shielding the hot wire. The pup might get noisier. Plus you would have to insulate the braid from coming into contact with other components except for the one lug of the volume pot. This I have not tried, and I don't plan to.
 
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