Peter Green mod! What could possibly go wrong?

kevinpaul

kevinpaul

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Really guys I have done almost as much as Gibson screwed up! I am putting new pups in my Les Paul Standard again! I have trouble sleeping again! So let's go to my work bench. Easy, loosen the four little screws on the bottom and now the six screws vs lugs. You know, us screw them past the bottom of the pick up plate. Right we are ready to slide out the bar magnet!
I watch it all very close. I get my needle nose plies and grab that waxy little bastard and now all I need to do is turn it a 180! Opps poop oppy it dropped on the floor! What is what and what was what. I have a shower and be at the hospital. Late and I know a cat will eat the magnet. I watched the copper wires and I put that slimy magnet back in. .? . ? I have no clue what I did. I admire people that don't fudge up. I will just need to wait.
Please after a certain hour don't monkey around. I may have messed up and it for sure I did a bit of bad.
 
syscokid said:
Use a compass against the pickup and against the adventurous magnet to figure out the polarity of the magnet.
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Or use a multimeter to measure the Ohms. Pay attention to the numbers on the display and how they move right when you start measuring. The numbers either jump up and then settle down to the actual measurement, or they dip and rise back up (happens quickly). If both pups behave the same way, they are in phase. If they do the opposite of each other, they are out of phase.
 
Gahr said:
Or use a multimeter to measure the Ohms. Pay attention to the numbers on the display and how they move right when you start measuring. The numbers either jump up and then settle down to the actual measurement, or they dip and rise back up (happens quickly). If both pups behave the same way, they are in phase. If they do the opposite of each other, they are out of phase.
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I have done this before for confirmation. It works quite well.
 
IMG_7819.JPG IMG_8179.JPG IMG_8180.JPG My dumb hunky luck was with me and it is perfect. They are high gain pickups and this is one my strangest creations.
The compass test is a perfect way to solve my slim hand goofy drop. I do a random check but so early morning I freaked out. I wanted get it over with.
 
DonP said:
Oops. These are four wire pickups - no need to mess with magnets. You just reverse the hot/ground connection on one pickup. Oh well...
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I normally do out of phase with wiring and a switch. I just did it like that to see how weird life can get. It happened very early that day and according to my notes the day really went down the drain.
 
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Tony M. said:
You fumbled and dropped the magnet?

What do you do for a living again?

:eek:
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No like it was vein from a dudes leg man! Please don't sweat me! I seldom get enough sleep and I have people! That was a teaching day and have a few joys in life. Pop tarts , Diet Coke and five hours of sleep. I just got home and heads or tails? I never get dat but the guitar is like it was played to be! Honk and normal.
 
Robert Herndon said:
Did you get it back in, Kevin???
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Hi Robert! Yes it was 4:00 am and that was the last thing I should have been doing. I picked up the magnet and put the pickup back together. I play that guitar both Friday and Saturday nights. With both pickups on I get a very very cool out of phase tone. These " Guitarhead " pickups are a fairly big off brand maker of pickups. I love how it turned out
 
IMG_8052.JPG A break in the mess I was lucky. The pickups do just what I expected. That is a easy modification really, I suggest you do after a minimum of two hours of sleep aka nap. The other two wires I tape off can be used for other mods now. Like in series or parrell I think. I love this Les Paul Standard and can see why so many greats pick the Gibson Standard. It just under 8 pounds and a weight relieved block of mahogany is so welcome with 30 minutes of play. I took it to an arts festival and I know it had a great time. Coil split is a thing I might try with the two extra wires. If it goes well with it this week and weekend I might take it to a ball game. The Pittsburgh Pirates are in town and most Les Paul's love baseball.
 
kevinpaul said:
Really guys I have done almost as much as Gibson screwed up! I am putting new pups in my Les Paul Standard again! I have trouble sleeping again! So let's go to my work bench. Easy, loosen the four little screws on the bottom and now the six screws vs lugs. You know, us screw them past the bottom of the pick up plate. Right we are ready to slide out the bar magnet!
I watch it all very close. I get my needle nose plies and grab that waxy little bastard and now all I need to do is turn it a 180! Opps poop oppy it dropped on the floor! What is what and what was what. I have a shower and be at the hospital. Late and I know a cat will eat the magnet. I watched the copper wires and I put that slimy magnet back in. .? . ? I have no clue what I did. I admire people that don't fudge up. I will just need to wait.
Please after a certain hour don't monkey around. I may have messed up and it for sure I did a bit of bad.
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Ahhh, now I know why you went into the field of medicine you did. There is no complaint department if you mess up :pound-hand:
 
syscokid said:
Use a compass against the pickup and against the adventurous magnet to figure out the polarity of the magnet.
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Gahr said:
Or use a multimeter to measure the Ohms. Pay attention to the numbers on the display and how they move right when you start measuring. The numbers either jump up and then settle down to the actual measurement, or they dip and rise back up (happens quickly). If both pups behave the same way, they are in phase. If they do the opposite of each other, they are out of phase.
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Damn it's nice to have informative gents like you here in The Tone Rooms.
 
DonP said:
Oops. These are four wire pickups - no need to mess with magnets. You just reverse the hot/ground connection on one pickup. Oh well...
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A couple of questions please.

If it is just a question of reversing the hot and the ground, why does it matter that they are 4 conductor pups?

Does reversing the wiring always result in out of phase pickups? Are there times when you need a magnet flip?

Thanks
 
RVA said:
A couple of questions please.

If it is just a question of reversing the hot and the ground, why does it matter that they are 4 conductor pups

Does reversing the wiring always result in out of phase pickups? Are there times when you need a magnet flip?

Thanks
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Cuz, 4 conductor wiring has actually got 5 wires. The 5th wire is the ground. You are going to keep the ground wire attached to a ground. If you look at the following pic, to wire one of the pickups out of phase to the other, all you need to do is reverse the green and black wires.

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On a pickup with 2 conductors, if the ground wire is not grounded in its normal position, then the noise shielding will be lost in the cabling.
 
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