NIEMD
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I've used the 64 Audio IEM's, at $3,500/pair, and all the way down to the lowest priced variants they have on the market, and I've never, ever been impressed with the sound quality.
However, im happy that you guys are digging them!!!!
However, im happy that you guys are digging them!!!!
Jethro Rocker
Ambassador of Live & Loud Action
Without ABing to my AT headphones, they sound fantastic. The ATs are very low heavy. I feel like the in ears may have more clarity to the lows? Will see.
I started with this. Not much kick drum but super low low bass.
Jethro Rocker
Ambassador of Live & Loud Action
So far only for recorded audio. Sound extremely good.
As for monitors, I only need vox and a bit o guitar in them.
I can promise you I did not spend 3500 on my set.
For me it was a nice addition. Especially once they gave me my own mixer so I had control over what I heard in ear. Generally I was in the back by the drummer. Didn’t need him in ear. Depending on who played bass, sometime they used an amp sometimes they went straight to board….. no amp….. like I did on acoustic. Usually I could hear the bass. And I needed to hear whoever was singing the melody. Many times that person also played acoustic and I’d want to hear his guitar.
At the end of the day. It wasn’t about hi-fidelity sound for me in the monitors or IEM. As long as the sound guys made us sound good out front, I was good with it.
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OP
I got my pair of the same earbuds today.
Holy sheep!
Unreal! Like there is a sub inside your head. Lows are incredible but still exvellent clarity.
Yeah, I want strong lows so I can hear the bass well, but I don't want them so booming that it overpowers everything else and it fatigues my ears.
In reality, I don't want in-ears (or any other type of monitor - even a floor wedge) to sound like anything! I actually want them to be neutral and reproduce the sound as accurately as possible.
OP
That's kind of common with novice sound engineers, regardless of venue or context. Many don't immediately grasp the concept of subtractive mixing. That is, if an instrument or voice cannot be heard, sometimes the solution is not to bring the quieter element up, but to bring the others down.
To me, this is one of the chief benefits of in-ears: since they replace floor monitors, they reduce stage volume which can compete with the FOH mix, especially in smaller venues. Thus, you get a better quality sound to the audience.
Jethro Rocker
Ambassador of Live & Loud Action
They seem fairly even to me. Set bass to appropriate level should be ok.
Our little wedges are very vocal midrange oriented which is good. Need to hear vox thru them not bass or drums. Onstage volume plenty for that.
Me neither.
Now, heres a difference I'd like to point out. When i am at my highest level of confidence, it is when i can accurately hear myself, whether that be vocals or guitar. If I'm struggling to hear myself, I'm not singing or playing my best.
It took me a long time to find a monitor that could give me the punch and clarity to work in a noisy club with a loud band, and it was only the Samson RSXM10A 800 watt floor monitor that could deliver.
We used Mackie for a while, but when you had to push the volume up, they lost clarity. You can see the Mackie in this shot:
Here's the smaller, 800 watt Samson RSXM10A:
Now, with my guitar, since i generally use stage volume and the amp as a monitor, i developed some techniques to position my amp in such a way that i can hear it clearly in the mix.
I used to have my amp off stage right and our bandleader liked me to take center stage, as shown here:
Now, i keep my amp directly behind me and i sing from stage right...
Much better sound spectrum onstage and im not struggling to hear myself...
Exactly why i settled on the Samson RSXM10A.
Jethro Rocker
Ambassador of Live & Loud Action
Yep makes sense here too. That's why I often angle my amp pointed at me. Or use a vertical cab or stack it on something. I even hot an angked Mojotome cab made. Sorry for that pic quality, heavy crop from a video.
The example of amp far stage right would be difficult to properly hear what you are doing.
We have Mackies in our rented jamspace. Not the Mackie Pro either, the cheap ones. They overload and distort long before you feel ear pressure.
The little Yorkville E10Ps 625 watt are magnificent. Can blast your ears as required, with sufficient ringing out of course. They destroy our older underpowered 15 inch ones. Less real estate, higher performance.
A caveat. I had to hear me in the mix. Whether in a floor monitor or IEM. But you good gents have to remember. I played exclusively acoustic. I just needed to hear me so I knew I was playing correct chords at correct time. For me it wasn’t rocket science. My needs were really simple.
There have been a couple times where I had a brain stinker. Was playing correct chords…. About 2 frets off. Had I not heard myself in the mix, stage volume was loud enough I couldn’t hear my guitar acoustically.
There have been a couple times where I had a brain stinker. Was playing correct chords…. About 2 frets off. Had I not heard myself in the mix, stage volume was loud enough I couldn’t hear my guitar acoustically.
OP
It‘s not only acoustic, though. For the vast majority of my onstage playing experience, I’ve played either with a processor run straight to the mix or I’ve used an amp with the speaker in an isolation cabinet. Getting a good monitor mix, whether via IEMs or a floor monitor, has always been a critical thing for me, too.
Jethro Rocker
Ambassador of Live & Loud Action
I have always used my stage volume to be my guitar monitor. I find it fairly easy and better than through a monitor.
Man those cheap earbuds rock...
Jethro Rocker
Ambassador of Live & Loud Action
UPDATE
I just compared my original Shure SE215 with the new Shure SE425 dual drIvers with these cheap Amazons.
Playing recorded music.
There is a slight difference in more low end with the 425s from the 215s.
Slight.
Can't really tell on voice.
Went back n forth.
Then tried the Amazons.
Holy crap. Louder, first off. Had a mid range vocal area spike that I will like for IEM and the low end was like you have a sub in your head!!
Crazy. These are crazy good.
I just compared my original Shure SE215 with the new Shure SE425 dual drIvers with these cheap Amazons.
Playing recorded music.
There is a slight difference in more low end with the 425s from the 215s.
Slight.
Can't really tell on voice.
Went back n forth.
Then tried the Amazons.
Holy crap. Louder, first off. Had a mid range vocal area spike that I will like for IEM and the low end was like you have a sub in your head!!
Crazy. These are crazy good.
OP
Thanks for the update, Jethro!
I've been using these Linsoul IEMs for both rehearsal and stage. You're right. You really can hear the vocals more clearly. I really noticed that in our last gig this past Saturday night. The vocals used to get a little lost when I was using just a stage wedge. No more.
It still amazes me how they are able to make IEMs this good for such a low amount of money.
Amp Mad Scientist
Ambassador of Heresy
I understand the need for wireless, but I want the transmitter to be part of the guitar, not external.
and I need the receiver to be part of the amp; not external.
And the guitar needs to charge wireless, when I put it on the guitar stand, or in the case.
The guitar antenna is internal, no external antenna on the guitar.
(and if you attach a "well hung" strap, the signal goes for about 8 miles, try this at home)
And while you are at it, the receiver needs to be a vacuum tube radio built into the guitar amp.
As an ear monitor goes, it needs to operate so that the guitar level is player adjustable in the wireless monitor mix.
I don't ask for much just some basic tools to work with.
and I need the receiver to be part of the amp; not external.
And the guitar needs to charge wireless, when I put it on the guitar stand, or in the case.
The guitar antenna is internal, no external antenna on the guitar.
(and if you attach a "well hung" strap, the signal goes for about 8 miles, try this at home)
And while you are at it, the receiver needs to be a vacuum tube radio built into the guitar amp.
As an ear monitor goes, it needs to operate so that the guitar level is player adjustable in the wireless monitor mix.
I don't ask for much just some basic tools to work with.
I moded a American Std Strat about 20 years ago with SD pups, push/pull pots AND a pick guard that had a built in tuner. Gave it to my nephew as a high school graduation present around 2010. He still has it.
