New Locking Tuners - Better than Self-Lock Stringing Method

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So, I've been considering changing my tuners on my Stratocaster with locking tuners mostly from a desire to improve tuning stability with trem usage on the Strat.

I have been using the self-locking stringing method for several years on my guitars, whether or not they had a trem.

For review, the self-locking string method is described below:

Changing Guitar Strings Video | Winding Strings Around the Tuning Machine Heads

However, the return to pitch on my Strat trem has never been fantastic. It's been sort of okay, but nothing that gives me much confidence using it. So, I've generally avoided it. So, I began to wonder about the potential benefits of a set of locking tuners, and whether they would be better than the self-locking stringing method. I've always lubed the nut well with each string change, and the nut has never given any indication of binding, so I've not really suspected that.

Fortunately, Fender sells locking tuners that are a perfect drop-in for stock tuners.

Here's a shot of the tuners I got:

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These were only $60.00 (well, $59.99...that one cent makes a huge difference, you know) from Sweetwater.

Here's a shot from the back, post installation:

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And the front:


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The result?

Well, after appropriate playing time and allowing the new strings to stretch in, initial results are very promising. I've been having much better return to pitch with reasonable vibrato use and even some mild dive bombing. I won't say the return to pitch is as good as my double-locking Floyd Rose, but I got this guitar new in 2006 and can definitely say it's never been as good with return to pitch as it is now. When I started using the self-locking method I did notice an improvement, but this is even better. Best of all, this is absolutely reversible.

So, whereas I do think the self-lock stringing method is perfectly fine for a non-vibrato guitar, my experience with this strongly suggests it isn't quite good enough for vibrato-equipped guitars. I did nothing new with this guitar when restringing it after I installed the new tuners. I lubed the nut, as I always have, but nothing besides the tuners is different.

I'm going to be looking into good locking tuners for the rest of my vibrato-equipped guitars, if I can find some that don't require modifying the headstock or drilling new holes.
 
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Those F's are all F'd up... :D
 
They look good. & if they work well too then it's a win/win.

Thanks, Grumpy.

Yeah. They do work well. I’ve beat this up a little more and I continue to be pleased with the improved return to pitch when using the Strat vibrato. Like I said, I was using the self-lock stringing method, which was an improvement over the regular method of using several winds around the post. The self-lock method did offer some improvement in return to pitch. But, the locking tuners are much improved over that.

I can pretty much just use the vibrato now without the nagging worry of being horribly out of tune afterward.

I found a good set of drop-in locking tuners for my Les Paul Custom. I have a Bigsby on that guitar. I’m gonna spring for those and see if I get a similar improvement. I suspect it won’t be quite as good as I’m experiencing with my Strat, but I am curious to see what kind of improvement I can get.
 
I'm a fan of locking tuners. Tuning stability has improved on my guitars that I installed locking tuners on.
 
I might be doing it wrongly, and I don't bend heavily, but I find that (on a Gibson anyways) taking care with restringing so that the strings have 2 tight and well formed rotations at the tuner is effective, equally so to 'locking' the strings. But, locking tuners, are quick to change and settle down almost immediately when changed, so there are more advantages with locking tuners over locking strings than there are with locking strings over taking care to string well, imho.
 
My select strat came stock with the F logo lockers. I've owned strats & strat style guitars in the past but none with lockers. I can attest to the lockers giving much better return to pitch stability. As smitty-p said, not as good as my double locking FR equipped Jackson, but much better than any other vibrato equipped guitar without lockers I've owned. Cheers
 
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IMG_9680.JPG When you grow up the first thing you buy is a nice sturdy dog. They you buy locking tuners.
How is your dog doing?
 
View attachment 17558 When you grow up the first thing you buy is a nice sturdy dog. They you buy locking tuners.
How is your dog doing?

Ummm...I assume you want to know how my Strat is doing with the lockers?

It’s doing great!

I’m quite pleased with the results.

Kluson makes direct-replacement lockers for the tuners in my 2014 SG, so that may be the next guitar to get the lock treatment.
 
Ummm...I assume you want to know how my Strat is doing with the lockers?

It’s doing great!

I’m quite pleased with the results.

Kluson makes direct-replacement lockers for the tuners in my 2014 SG, so that may be the next guitar to get the lock treatment.

Those tuners make you want to keep changing strings all day. Keep on changing until all the strings are all gone.
 
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