New Borrowed Mesa Fillmore 50 Day!!!!

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So today, I met with @Don O at his Mountain Chalet. It's really difficult to describe how he has found a way to use unused spaces in this amazing villa. The views - inside and out - are simply breathtaking.

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There are hidden storage areas, dramatic staircases, a crafting room, a wine cellar/wine tasting area that looks like it was imported from a Tuscan chalet, a wet bar and a fabulous studio.

It's just one of the most amazingly innovative custom homes I have ever seen. Don's skill as a craftsman and organizer rivals anything I've seen by pro builders.

Down the stairs and into the studio, the collection of guitars is eclectic and incredulously varied. From vintage pieces to his own hand-built 'DOC' models, the museum-quality display is simply stunning.

We started out demoing several of his Mesa amps. These amps can be really intimidating. Don was kind enough to work the controls while I jammed away, and the array of tones was incredibly varied.

Oddly enough, one of the best sounding amps in his stable was a mid-1990's Marshall Valvestate 8220 - S80, 2x12 chorus. That was the surprise of the night. Those old British-made Valvestates are simply remarkable. However, while this amp sounded great on its own, that's no indication of how it might sound in a full band setting.

After going over guitars, eating lunch and chatting in general, we broke the seal on the new Fillmore 50.

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The packaging was really substantial. Even the area inside the cabinet - including the speaker and tubes - was packed with bubble wrap. The build quality of the amp was immediately evident. The build tag had over 10 initials from different stations. The pots have a very viscous feel.

The tolex was applied in absolutely flawless fashion...better than Friedmans and Dumbles that I've seen firsthand. There was not one blemish or flaw found, even under intense OCD scrutiny.

Once fired up, we found the Fillmore very quiet. Immediately, you realize that none of the controls work like a Marshall. We tried some settings from the owner's manual and they sounded amazingly good.

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The two channels are identical in their layout and operation. Each channel has Clean, Drive and Hi settings and each has its own master volume and separate reverb controls.

The cleans are really remarkable, but figuring how to get them requires a learning curve. The treble and gain controls are uber-sensitive and the bass, mid and presence controls are less precise in terms of how they affect the tone.

When the gain is cranked on the "HI" setting, the tones are very Malcolm Young and the tone is incredibly good. However, gain beyond an early AC/DC tone requires the Tube Screamer be kicked on.

The TS-9 really increases the gain, but it also tightens the structure and adds emphasis on the bottom end. The TS-9 instantly elevates you into the rhythm tones of Early George Lynch and Robbin Crosby.

The Fillmore responds well to pedals and the FX loop is very quiet. Reverb is a bag-encased, long spring unit that is infinitely adjustable.

We jammed around on it for quite a while, trying all kinds of different settings, and while all of the settings sounded good, I feel like the only way to really figure this amp out is to spend some time dialing this in during a live souncheck with a full band.

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I can honestly say that I have never been so bewildered by trying to dial in tones on any amplifier. The tone controls really are different than anything I've ever worked with. In some ways, dialing in less mids seems to boost the bass and dialing in more treble actually boosts the gain!!!

I'm studying the manual in hopes of getting a more complete understanding of how this amp works and how best to control it.

Don has been kind enough to let me road test it at the music academy and use it for our live performance at Rockstars' Christmas Party on December 18th.

I'll post updates, thoughts and observations to this thread as I become more familiar with the Fillmore.

A really great day of music today!!!!

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Great amp. I had the same model combo. You are right that the controls react very differently from a typical Fender or Marshall amp, but very similar to other Boogies if you are familiar with them.

Had the amp for over two years before I sold it. I only sold it because I needed the room.

Some folks complained that it doesn't have enough clean headroom, but I could never understand why someone would expect BF cleans from an amp inspired by tweeds? Another complaint I have often read is that the amp didn't sound as loud as other 50 watters by Boogie. I disagree. I think they were confused by the linear taper of the volumes. You don't get to 2 on the dial and then BOOM get massive volume jump out all of a sudden.

The reverb is the best they've ever done, IMHO, and on the Fifty the reverb controls are on the front...WHERE THEY BELONG!

It's a great amp. I bet you'll really like it when the controls become more intuitive.
 
Great amp. I had the same model combo. You are right that the controls react very differently from a typical Fender or Marshall amp, but very similar to other Boogies if you are familiar with them.

Had the amp for over two years before I sold it. I only sold it because I needed the room.

Some folks complained that it doesn't have enough clean headroom, but I could never understand why someone would expect BF cleans from an amp inspired by tweeds? Another complaint I have often read is that the amp didn't sound as loud as other 50 watters by Boogie. I disagree. I think they were confused by the linear taper of the volumes. You don't get to 2 on the dial and then BOOM get massive volume jump out all of a sudden.

The reverb is the best they've ever done, IMHO, and on the Fifty the reverb controls are on the front...WHERE THEY BELONG!

It's a great amp. I bet you'll really like it when the controls become more intuitive.

Great observations.

It's plenty loud, that's for sure, but where I think people may get hung up (on olumes) is how the amp reacts when switched to "clean" mode.

When clean is selected, you have to increase gain to increase volume. You can crank the volume, but without increasing gain, you won't get much volume increase.

Additionally, as you roll on some gain (naturally) it's not a "crystal clean" tone, but rather it has an edge to it that's very dynamic, but balancing the channel volumes (between clean and Hi gain) can be a challenge.
 
For my clean tones with Boogies, I ususally set the master very high, 3:00/4:00, and control the overall volume with the gain knob. It increases the headroom and makes for very precise volume adjustments. Give it a try.

What tips do you have for balancing the clean and drive channel volumes???
 
What tips do you have for balancing the clean and drive channel volumes???

That's how I get there. I set the dirty channel volume to where I need it, and then dial in the clean using this method and it makes it very easy to incrementally adjust the volume without giving up the headroom. Keep in mind I use the clean (green) channel primarily as a pedal platform, so a lot of the time I do purposely keep the volume a touch lower than the dirty (red) channel. But if you want them balanced this method should make it easy.
 
Thanks Robert for the kind words. Robert has the honor of being the first musician to play in my new place. What a fine musician and guitar tech. He picked up my Zelinsky guitar that had an issue with staying in tune using the trem bar. He discovered that the trem block underneath was rubbing the body and impeding it’s return. Will be a simple fix.

We had a fun time playing and twisting knobs for about 6 hours. Hopefully the first of many TTR sessions.
 
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That's how I get there. I set the dirty channel volume to where I need it, and then dial in the clean using this method and it makes it very easy to incrementally adjust the volume without giving up the headroom. Keep in mind I use the clean (green) channel primarily as a pedal platform, so a lot of the time I do purposely keep the volume a touch lower than the dirty (red) channel. But if you want them balanced this method should make it easy.
^^^THIS!^^^
 
The build tag from the Fillmore 50

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Are your ears ringing? This ringing can typically dissipate within 12 hours - 3 days.
That's a good sign.
If your ears aren't ringing, you didn't turn it up loud enough.

The deciding factor is:
if you like it enough, you will turn it up louder till it makes your ears ring. And, you will enjoy it very much.

The chemical release inside your brain triggered by the harmonic distortion, causes you to turn it up louder.
You can't help it; it's an impulsive response.
I like that, turn it up more louder.
 
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I can honestly say that I have never been so bewildered by trying to dial in tones on any amplifier. The tone controls really are different than anything I've ever worked with. In some ways, dialing in less mids seems to boost the bass and dialing in more treble actually boosts the gain!!!
That is exactly what I found messing with my Mesas when i got them. Manual mentions how EQ affects the gain structure. Alien amd completely different but once you get used to it it works very well.

Fantastic looking place there Don glad you lads had a good time jamming and messing around!!
 
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