Joe Walsh likes Carvin stuff
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syscokid
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Unfortunately, Gibson don't build them like that anymore...and that seems to be his point...
Just to remind ya'll again... That's Joe and his opinion 9 years ago. A lot has changed since.
Pictured is bolt
The Sg Jr
IS set neck ---- and those posts are bottomed out as well. ---- a look round the room My explorer is bottomed----set neck.....Jaguar bridge ....bottom....bolt neck......
whats yer point......
A bolt neck can be shimmed to make up for neck pocket settling. A set neck would have to be removed and re-set if the pocket settles and creates too low a neck angle to drop the bridge enough to keep string height at acceptable levels.
A guitar with a set neck, that has a totally decked bridge, has no room for settling at all. The action will do nothing but creep upward under string tension.
I believe Relic had a fine example of this phenomenon in a melody maker he had. Some Norlin era guitars are afflicted with this condition as well...they lowered the neck angle on some models for a couple of years.
I imagine that warranty neck re-sets would cost a manufacturer that planned to remain a manufacturer.
I've really gained a greater appreciation for the simplicity of the bolt on neck recently.
On the Les Paul Custom Replica we had built in SoCal for my Mom's 2017 Mother's Day gift, neck angle was very good and the bridge was very low.
The ABR-1 style was pretty low...
And things improved even more with the roller bridge...and with everything "decked" I still dialed in about .037" @ 12th unfettered, which is really low.
Looks like the old '79 is fairly low in this shot taken a couple months ago....but it has fairly high action...
Took two shims from the Faber kit to get the strings off the edge of my Nashville bridge with .042" @ 12th unfretted on my 2016 SG.
My 2016 Gibson Les Paul 50's Tribute had a very high tailpiece setting from the factory, but had several very high frets.
Maybe a neck angle issue was present here too, in addition to the uneven fretwire...???
On the Les Paul Custom Replica we had built in SoCal for my Mom's 2017 Mother's Day gift, neck angle was very good and the bridge was very low.
The ABR-1 style was pretty low...
And things improved even more with the roller bridge...and with everything "decked" I still dialed in about .037" @ 12th unfettered, which is really low.
Looks like the old '79 is fairly low in this shot taken a couple months ago....but it has fairly high action...
Took two shims from the Faber kit to get the strings off the edge of my Nashville bridge with .042" @ 12th unfretted on my 2016 SG.
My 2016 Gibson Les Paul 50's Tribute had a very high tailpiece setting from the factory, but had several very high frets.
Maybe a neck angle issue was present here too, in addition to the uneven fretwire...???
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Certainly.
eSGEe
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I am not complaining the action and function and set of neck are awesome on these.
Peavey have a set screw in the neck plate for adjusting neck angle ........man those are well thought out guitars.......really everyone should own one.
Joe was the one bitching.
I'm just pointing out maybe he should try a cheap guitar. Lol
You asked what the point was in regard to my question about your Jackson's neck mount(bolt or set), after you posted that it was "decked"(had no downward adjustment available).
While the action is great now, if it does what wooden guitars do as they age, it may be difficult or expensive to keep it that way in the future if it's a set neck.
I guess that's my point in asking. Was that unreasonable?
eSGEe
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Not A bit, and thank you for the clarifications and informative input
I tend not to keep them long enough for it to matter much anyway
---and as RVA can atest -- the wood here in the swamp is so swollen and water logged.....if this Jackson went to say Big Daddys in Vegas --- after a few days the wood would shrink so much the bridge would probably be high
I tend not to keep them long enough for it to matter much anyway
---and as RVA can atest -- the wood here in the swamp is so swollen and water logged.....if this Jackson went to say Big Daddys in Vegas --- after a few days the wood would shrink so much the bridge would probably be high
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RVA
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I hope one of those things iss that Joe learned a bit about gear. He may have. He is a new man sober.
In general, I see guitars that are superior to current Gibson offerings, in every respect, and they are often overlooked because they lack the "Gibson" trademark.
I have to point this accusatory finger at myself for buying three new Gibson's, that all needed neck resetting/electronics/fretwork to be useable. It took those three personal experiences before I finally "got it" so to speak.
However, what I learned was, the tone/feel I was seeking had absolutely nothing to do with Gibson, but had everything to do with a 24.75" scale, neck thickness approaching 1" and a 12" radius...
I play with several dudes who will only buy Gibson's....and that's cool...but I have a lot more fun now just knowing which attributes I desire in a guitar, which, for many years, I didn't know....I just never stopped playing long enough to really analyze the details.
I also found my quest to fully understand what made a certain guitar more comfortable or desirable to me was really openly discouraged....but opposition only drives me forward, so, quite honestly, I am grateful for all the hostility and negativity.
Adrian has been one of the most outspoken advocates of giving unconventional guitars a shot.
Seems like those Peavey's are quite underrated.
I have to point this accusatory finger at myself for buying three new Gibson's, that all needed neck resetting/electronics/fretwork to be useable. It took those three personal experiences before I finally "got it" so to speak.
However, what I learned was, the tone/feel I was seeking had absolutely nothing to do with Gibson, but had everything to do with a 24.75" scale, neck thickness approaching 1" and a 12" radius...
I play with several dudes who will only buy Gibson's....and that's cool...but I have a lot more fun now just knowing which attributes I desire in a guitar, which, for many years, I didn't know....I just never stopped playing long enough to really analyze the details.
I also found my quest to fully understand what made a certain guitar more comfortable or desirable to me was really openly discouraged....but opposition only drives me forward, so, quite honestly, I am grateful for all the hostility and negativity.
Adrian has been one of the most outspoken advocates of giving unconventional guitars a shot.
Seems like those Peavey's are quite underrated.
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
yeah.....well .....seems I need to quit telling people that as I have learned that is going to drive UP demand.......AND PRICES on the older stuff. so-------lets keep that PEavey is KICK ASS on the down low shall we.......I love getting QUALITY well made usa gear for less than the "low end" mass produced stuff.....
I mean really --- a USA foundation bass with HScontour case--- 150.00 --- BOGGLES the MIND man boggles the mind
syscokid
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