If You Play A P-90 Or Another Single Coil Guitar.....

Conversely, why shield my existing 7 single coil equipped guitars further, when I can plug in to a magical box?

Good point. I'm guessing this magical box does indeed work...for the inherent noise of the pickup, but I doubt it would address EFI/RFI????

I would, however, rather subject myself to a beating than play - or listen to - single coils...unless its Axel Rudi Pell...but he uses HS3's for hum free operation.
 
Good point. I'm guessing this magical box does indeed work...for the inherent noise of the pickup, but I doubt it would address EFI/RFI????

I would, however, rather subject myself to a beating than play - or listen to - single coils...unless its Axel Rudi Pell...but he uses HS3's for hum free operation.

Pickups, on their own, have nearly imperceptible inherent noise. For all intents and purposes, you could say they have no inherent noise. The only reason they make any offending noise is because of what is induced into them externally through the air. This is the very reason humbucking pickups even work...the principle of common-mode rejection is the principle by which that externally induced noise is cancelled out. The noise of a single coil pickup is not showing you how much noise it makes...it is showing you how much noise is being induced into it.

So, would something like the Hum Debugger work against other sources of EMI like florescent lights, electric motors, power transformers and the like? Very likely it would. The reason is that those sources of noise are being powered by alternating current, which in the US is 60 Hz. So, the emanations from those devices will often be 60 Hz, or some harmonic of that frequency. Of course, interference from cell phones is something different so I can't speak to that.

Incidentally, strictly speaking...there is no such thing as a hum-cancelling single coil. It's marketing-speak. Those pickups are dual coil, stacked humbuckers in a single coil form factor. In annoys me to see companies like Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio, and Fender call those things single coil pickups.

Keep in mind. I'm certainly not busting on you , Robert. I'm not calling you out in the slightest; I"m calling them out for using that terminology. It's as incorrect as calling a Vibrato a "Tremolo"...another Leo Fender screw-up...just like when he called some of his amps a "Vibro"-whatever. Those amps weren't producing a vibrato effect..they were producing a tremolo effect!
 
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Pickups, on their own, have nearly imperceptible inherent noise. For all intents and purposes, you could say they have no inherent noise. The only reason they make any offending noise is because of what is induced into them externally through the air. This is the very reason humbucking pickups even work...the principle of common-mode rejection is the principle by which that externally induced noise is cancelled out. The noise of a single coil pickup is not showing you how much noise it makes...it is showing you how much noise is being induced into it.

So, would something like the Hum Debugger work against other sources of EMI like florescent lights, electric motors, power transformers and the like? Very likely it would. The reason is that those sources of noise are being powered by alternating current, which in the US is 60 Hz. So, the emanations from those devices will often be 60 Hz, or some harmonic of that frequency. Of course, interference from cell phones is something different so I can't speak to that.

Incidentally, strictly speaking...there is no such thing as a hum-cancelling single coil. It's marketing-speak. Those pickups are dual coil, stacked humbuckers in a single coil form factor. In annoys me to see companies like Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio, and Fender call those things single coil pickups.

Keep in mind. I'm certainly not busting on you , Robert. I'm not calling you out in the slightest; I"m calling them out for using that terminology. It's as incorrect as calling a Vibrato a "Tremolo"...another Leo Fender screw-up...just like when he called some of his amps a "Vibro"-whatever. Those amps weren't producing a vibrato effect..they were producing a tremolo effect!

Interesting as always!!!!

What makes me chuckle is this old black Fender Stratocaster at Capitol Studios. It's around a 1961. Everyone wants to play it, as it is considered a 'Holy Grail' of sorts.

Everyone raves about its "natural single coil tone " and it does indeed sound beautiful.

I was asked to replace a non-functioning volume pot on it last year....opened it up to discover a trio of DiMarzio HS3's....
 
Yngwie said in an interview once that the reason he started using the HS3 (released in late 1979) was because it was "completely faithful to the original tone of my vintage Stratocasters but without the noise..."

That quote can be found in many guitar magazine interviews from the era.

People who have played my 1987 Squire insist it has a clean tone that can only come from "real Fender single coils."

Listen to this isolated recording of my 1987 Squirecaster with DiMarzio HS3 (1981) and DiMarzio YJM (1995) played in position '4' through 1987 Alpha pots and into my Blackstar ID-CORE 100 watt direct-out into my DAW.


Listen to Perfect Strangers - Tremolo Dive - Isolated Tracks by Von Herndon on #SoundCloud

I think the Fender single coil is more mythical and revered for its historical use than anything else and, as such, its negative behavior is romanticized and worshipped as a Holy Grail of sorts.

My theory anyways...
 
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What about two-way radio frequency transmitting through a guitar??? Or FM radio stations??? Cell phone conversations???

How would this be effective at combatting these anomalies???

I've found that copper is my only means of neutralizing it.

At my Mom's studio, they still battle a local AM radio station playing through the monitors periodically...
 
Interesting as always!!!!

What makes me chuckle is this old black Fender Stratocaster at Capitol Studios. It's around a 1961. Everyone wants to play it, as it is considered a 'Holy Grail' of sorts.

Everyone raves about its "natural single coil tone " and it does indeed sound beautiful.

I was asked to replace a non-functioning volume pot on it last year....opened it up to discover a trio of DiMarzio HS3's....

This where I am in a slight quandary.

I have a plan to do my own Strat build, at some point. I plan on using some sort of stacked humbuckers (“noise-canceling single coil”) in the build.

The problem is, I don’t WANT them to sound like true Fender single coils! I already have that sound with my...well...with my true Fender single coils!

I want something slightly warmer without the spikiness. But, I do want the single coil form factor.
 
Yngwie said in an interview once that the reason he started using the HS3 (released in late 1979) was because it was "completely faithful to the original tone of my vintage Stratocasters but without the noise..."

I've read that, too. And, it does interest me. Though others would disagree with me, I do like Yngwie's sound, though his sound is attributable to a lot more than just pickups!
 
That's what it seems to be. But, from searching the Webs, there seems to be pretty scant technical info. One person on another forum noticed this pedal does not use batteries and uses an AC to AC power converter, not an AC to DC converter. The power converter simply reduces the voltage to 7.5 VAC. The thought this person had is that the pedal uses the line frequency, as sampled from the 7.5 VAC supply, as a reference point to create notch filtering for that frequency (nominally 60 Hz), and the next few harmonics, i.e. 120 Hertz, 180 Hz, 240 Hz, etc.

This makes very good sense and would make the pedal effective even if there was some minor drift of the line supply from 60 Hz.

That would make sense if they did a 180 degree phase shift of the 60 Hz and summed it on to the guitar signal. The 60 hum would be zeroized (assuming you can get the amplitude close enough). The normal and strong switch might just be an amplitude adjustment to the out of phase signal.
 
That would make sense if they did a 180 degree phase shift of the 60 Hz and summed it on to the guitar signal. The 60 hum would be zeroized (assuming you can get the amplitude close enough). The normal and strong switch might just be an amplitude adjustment to the out of phase signal.

That's what I was thinking, too.

I'm actually considering getting one of these.
 
Conversely, why shield my existing 7 single coil equipped guitars further, when I can plug in to a magical box?
Conversely, why shield my existing 7 single coil equipped guitars further, when I can plug in to a magical box?
Because, assuming they have the same result, sheilding is a permanent, intrinsic solution. You cannot always depend on that box. Green Lantern always needed to charge his ring. Superman just needed to make sure the sun was still there.

It is frustrating that this device requires a 7.5v power source
 
I suppose I could just get this and make a quick swap....


Yngwie had a falling out with Dimarzio and now works with Duncan. My Dimarzio YJM is a 1992.

Now I do have an issue with Yngwie...he loves vintage stagger, which we know was designed for a wound 'G' string and the extended 'G' string pole is a primary cause of "Wolftonez" in Stratocasters.

To mitigate the Wolftonez, you have to drastically drop the pickups, which really reduces output, which may provide better articulation in some situations, but it made me hate my Strat.

Now, Yngwie can drop his neck pickup very low and get away with it because he is still pushing the amp hard enough that it may not make a difference, but what about balance when switching between pickups???

Enter Paul Gilbert...

Paul wanted a pickup that sounded like a Fender single coil, but had reduced magnetic pull on the strings, so he could mount it closer to the strings without Wolftones, so DiMarzio created the "injector" for him.

I do not like his tone on the videos about the pickups, but I have played through a set of Injectors and liked that I could play on the neck without the annoying oscillation of the dreaded Wolftones.

Food for thought...
 
Smitty, Don O and RVA....

Here's an interesting thing we discovered yesterday at our rehearsal.

We put in a full 8 hours. We did BBQ and we did spend a great deal of time working out endings and our 3 guitar parts (3 guitarists) but this situation intrigued me sufficiently that I wanted to mention it.

I was rotating through my 3 Les Paul's- one genuine 2016 Gibson, copper shielded, stock PCB and 498T/496R and two replica Les Paul's - both copper shielded, Alpha pots, regular wiring, and both with the Epiphone equivalent of the 498T/496R - the HB8N/HB6N.

The Epiphone H8BN/H6BN have the same advertised specs as the Gibson 498T/496R and the tonal qualities between guitars is so close, no one can tell them apart.

But, yesterday, I noticed if I turned toward my amp, the 498T/496R would develop a light buzz. The Epiphones do not.

Our second rhythm guitarist's 1973 Gibson SG and 1984 Gibson V and our lead guitarist's 1981 Gibson Les Paul also did the exact same thing through all three rigs, but my Epiphone pickups were dead quiet through all three rigs and cables.

Now, the only difference that is visible between the Gibson's and the Epiphone's is the baseplate - Gibson uses nickel silver and Epiphone uses brass, but both the 498T/496R and the Epiphone HB8N/HB6N use wood spacers and wax potting.

I also noticed that if I held my cellphone in front of the pickups on all the Gibson guitars, I could hear a light, static pop through the amp each time I pressed a text character, but the guitar's equipped with the Epiphone H8BN/HB6N are unaffected, and again, through three different amps and cables.

Not a problem really, but something I noticed and wanted to share.

By the way...my Squirecaster is dead silent under all conditions with its vintage Dimarzios' and basic copper shielding that's now almost 30 years old...
 
Something been doing...every other Tuesday till we move going into the studio for a song. Soon as i get home that night , i prepare for next. All my gear is open game as i audition it all..to make the song the best it can be, Now its based on where the vocals are...so...it might be a pain..but whatever is needed...sometimes 2 amps & 3 guitars. each guitar & amp combo sits in a frequency range..i use that to my advantage..very little manipulation & no signal squashing at all. My sound guy will not allow it..a pure as path as possible..it has got me ditching anything with pre amp circuits for tone shape,, single coils are awesome for certain things & so are hums...tools for the job...i used to be so narrow minded ..there will be noise at times..vol knob guitar..seems to turn things off..watch a good guitarist..riding that guitar knob..its the main control ..the gas pedal..the tone shaper..the dynamic setter..the subtlety...
 
Easy fix...
Just a note to consider...

The Hum Debugger and shielding work on completely different principles.

Shielding attempts to block environmentally-induced hum from sensitive components in the guitar. It has limited value to true single coils, as part of the pickup is still exposed to environmentally-induced noise. I've completely copper-shielded my Strat and still get some hum. Like, I said, this is to be expected. I pretty much knew that the fact that the surfaces of three pickups were still exposed to the environment would mean that I was, at most, shielding the controls and internal wiring. But, I was curious as to how much of a difference this would make.

The Hum Debugger, on the other hand, essentially attempts to notch out the offending frequencies from your guitar signal, which will be the fundamental and the harmonics of power line frequency.
Pickups, on their own, have nearly imperceptible inherent noise. For all intents and purposes, you could say they have no inherent noise. The only reason they make any offending noise is because of what is induced into them externally through the air. This is the very reason humbucking pickups even work...


Ok ALL who posted here including GW, Robert, Smitty, DONO AND BDON and Adrian.
As Robert clearly expresses his dislike for Single coils, the first inclination is to think his dislike is based on the hum that comes along with Singles and if he would only be able to copper shield or completely filter out all noise from singles that he would be fine playing a SS, or SSS guitar. However, as I have conversed with him through the years, it is not so much that his dislike of the hum but the actual sound singles reproduce. If given the choice of making music with them or Humbuckers, he would rather hear Ratt, Leslie West, Collen, Iommi, etc. over the likes of today's Clapton, SRV, KWShepperd, Frusciante, etc.

As for the efficacy, of the box GW posted this about, I won't address that device or the copper shielding or faraday cage aspect of this thread. In summary, Smitty sure knows his hows and whys of electronic noises, pickup design and how to match the options out there to achieve various tones. As for Robert, he is not interested in various tones, but achieving the perfect, tones he hears in his head from his hands and the hands of his favorite players. Once he finds the combination of Guitar, Pots, Caps, Strings, Pickups etc, then the tone must be without flaw such as hum, wolftones, twang, warble, buzz, or even lack of the desired amount of gain like he was seeking to massage or beat out of his DSL 40C. Only then will Robert have "IT."

Having said that, "IT" will never be the sound of a single coil even if it has noiseless shielding, noiseless pups such as in his Squierstrat, noiseless sound gate, or hum debugger.
 
Smitty, Don O and RVA....

Here's an interesting thing we discovered yesterday at our rehearsal.

We put in a full 8 hours. We did BBQ and we did spend a great deal of time working out endings and our 3 guitar parts (3 guitarists) but this situation intrigued me sufficiently that I wanted to mention it.

I was rotating through my 3 Les Paul's- one genuine 2016 Gibson, copper shielded, stock PCB and 498T/496R and two replica Les Paul's - both copper shielded, Alpha pots, regular wiring, and both with the Epiphone equivalent of the 498T/496R - the HB8N/HB6N.

The Epiphone H8BN/H6BN have the same advertised specs as the Gibson 498T/496R and the tonal qualities between guitars is so close, no one can tell them apart.

But, yesterday, I noticed if I turned toward my amp, the 498T/496R would develop a light buzz. The Epiphones do not.

Our second rhythm guitarist's 1973 Gibson SG and 1984 Gibson V and our lead guitarist's 1981 Gibson Les Paul also did the exact same thing through all three rigs, but my Epiphone pickups were dead quiet through all three rigs and cables.

Now, the only difference that is visible between the Gibson's and the Epiphone's is the baseplate - Gibson uses nickel silver and Epiphone uses brass, but both the 498T/496R and the Epiphone HB8N/HB6N use wood spacers and wax potting.

I also noticed that if I held my cellphone in front of the pickups on all the Gibson guitars, I could hear a light, static pop through the amp each time I pressed a text character, but the guitar's equipped with the Epiphone H8BN/HB6N are unaffected, and again, through three different amps and cables.

Not a problem really, but something I noticed and wanted to share.

By the way...my Squirecaster is dead silent under all conditions with its vintage Dimarzios' and basic copper shielding that's now almost 30 years old...

Very interesting.

My initial thought is that the coils in the Epiphone pickups are more closely matched than the others.

Evenly-wound coils (not scatter wound) that have the same number of turns, inductance, and resistance will more effectively cancel hum.
 
Single coil sound is the other half of music. It seems to be genre driven what we all favor. We need gear that fits our needs. for what we are playing. Right tool -right job thing.. Prob why i dig my Nighthawk so much..2 hums & 2 singles & an in between, all in 1 guitar by flipping a switch..talk about range in a song..
 
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