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Session 5
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Harley Davidson in trouble
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gasket
Ambassador of the Guitarded
Honda sales in Australia aren't as straightforward as the figures suggest.
Australia Post run approx 8,000 NBC110 Super Cubs, they turn them over every 3 years or at 25,000km. This means each year they buy approx 2,600 Honda bikes, take them from the statics and Yamaha are the top seller ... BUT Yamaha out sell the other brands because of off road sales. I've seen numbers saying Triumph sell the most road bikes in Australia, can't put my hand to that story just now.
The new Super Cub
Some of the earlier CT110's in my local depot.
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gasket
Ambassador of the Guitarded
Yep but comparatively few were sold in Australia, we buy bikes for leisure not transport.
RobV
Ambassador of Bedroom Wankery
Actually I don't think Trump suggested they move to India. He commented on Harley themselves talking about moving production out of the USA.
My favorite bike since I saw them in High School (80's) has always been a Sportster. You can make any kind of style out of them. Certain model Buell's actually used the Sportster motor. They make awesome bobbers which is something I need to do eventually. I like Café style bikes also and I have owned a couple rockets also.
My 89' 883H - gone
I bought this new stock & black. A bud & I stripped it down and repainted it and did some other things....2006 883C - gone
my current 05' 1200C ….lots of stuff done
other bikes were a 2006 Honda Shadow 600VLX/1993 Kawa Ninja ZX6/2000 Kawa Ninja ZX6R/1999 Yama FZR6R which eventually turned into a 1987' Iroc Z for my son's 18th B-Day. A Sportster will always be parked in my garage though! I am thinking about a Dyna or Wide Glide for Dawn & I since she gave up on trying to learn her own.
gball
Ambassador of Boogie
I'm not a motorcyclist, so my opinion is coming from a place where I truly don't care one way or another, but it sure seems to me that Harley-Davidsons are anachronistic. People aren't buying them because they're kind of ugly, pointlessly loud, and the image is tied to a variety of unpleasant things. The tech is low, the risk of appearing a poseur high, and so I can easily see why younger people have no interest.
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
well said---
I am a motorcyclist -- have been since i was 10--Im not a Biker (not that there is anything WRONG with that)
I rode EVERYTHING but a Harley for decades -- (3 ish to be exact before getting my Harley) -- ALWAYS wanted one -- because -- as a Native RED BLOODED Ohio youngster -- all the BAD A$$ guys at the bars etc HAD ONE --Evil Knievel--road a HARLEY --
After owning MANY brands--- and styles and models of motorcycle--- the trade off for the "cool" factor really declined in my 30's --- I dont care two
es how I "look" on the bike (I wear FULL padded armoured gear -- gloves full face helmet-- laugh if you will but I will survive the crash the unhelmeted wont----and my face is too pretty for rocks and bugs to damage it 
I want a bike that will get me there and back WHOLE and in one piece---EVERYTIME-- One that will allow me the torque AND speed and agility to out maneuver the soccer moms-- 16 year olds texting-- and blind retirees
There will be hate mail and arguments--- but Harley doesnt make a product that can do that--period--
the cornering is limited suspension travel a joke -- HP and acceleration (of stock what you buy on the floor DONT SHOW ME PICTURES OF NHRA HARLEYS BURNING NITRO_)---is LACKING at best--they are overweight and under pwered and under braked-- My 92 Sportster had parts designed from the 60's (before I was BORN) on it-- and HARLEY were PROUD of that "heritage" used it in MARKETING --- that isnt heritage that is cheap and lazy engineering ---
I love the look of a Harley(they are rolling art) and gorgeous to look at
the mega long stretched choppers are COOL -- like James Dean -- and Marlon Brando-- but I dont want to ride them either---
-- I even like the STOCK potato potato sound (not the open pipe ignorance)
AND FOR THE RECORD I dont like the WASP stinker IN A MEGAPHONE sound of the RICE ROCKETS EITHER -- STUPID --- your on a city street not Daytona Raceway! Just wear a sign that says IM A DOUCHE SQUID that cant RIDE! we would all be happier---
Also for a time the BUY AMERICAN mantra was well -- Harley ---- but now---Hondas are made in Ohio---Victories were being made in Iowa--Kawasaki in Lincoln Nebraska---(research how many parts on that new Harley AIN'T FROM AMERICA NO MORE---) its just not the same --your SUPPORTING American jobs buying most any of them now--in one way or another--
In my mind here is a simple easy PICTORIAL comparison
Harley:
MODERN Motorcycle --Honda-- Kawi-Suzuki-Triumph-Ducati---Moto Guzzi-- and on and on and on---
both are nice--- both sling lead-----but
WHICH do you REALLY want to enter the asphalt battle arena with ????????
I am a motorcyclist -- have been since i was 10--Im not a Biker (not that there is anything WRONG with that)
I rode EVERYTHING but a Harley for decades -- (3 ish to be exact before getting my Harley) -- ALWAYS wanted one -- because -- as a Native RED BLOODED Ohio youngster -- all the BAD A$$ guys at the bars etc HAD ONE --Evil Knievel--road a HARLEY --
After owning MANY brands--- and styles and models of motorcycle--- the trade off for the "cool" factor really declined in my 30's --- I dont care two
es how I "look" on the bike (I wear FULL padded armoured gear -- gloves full face helmet-- laugh if you will but I will survive the crash the unhelmeted wont----and my face is too pretty for rocks and bugs to damage it I want a bike that will get me there and back WHOLE and in one piece---EVERYTIME-- One that will allow me the torque AND speed and agility to out maneuver the soccer moms-- 16 year olds texting-- and blind retirees
There will be hate mail and arguments--- but Harley doesnt make a product that can do that--period--
the cornering is limited suspension travel a joke -- HP and acceleration (of stock what you buy on the floor DONT SHOW ME PICTURES OF NHRA HARLEYS BURNING NITRO_)---is LACKING at best--they are overweight and under pwered and under braked-- My 92 Sportster had parts designed from the 60's (before I was BORN) on it-- and HARLEY were PROUD of that "heritage" used it in MARKETING --- that isnt heritage that is cheap and lazy engineering ---
I love the look of a Harley(they are rolling art) and gorgeous to look at
the mega long stretched choppers are COOL -- like James Dean -- and Marlon Brando-- but I dont want to ride them either---
-- I even like the STOCK potato potato sound (not the open pipe ignorance)
AND FOR THE RECORD I dont like the WASP stinker IN A MEGAPHONE sound of the RICE ROCKETS EITHER -- STUPID --- your on a city street not Daytona Raceway! Just wear a sign that says IM A DOUCHE SQUID that cant RIDE! we would all be happier---
Also for a time the BUY AMERICAN mantra was well -- Harley ---- but now---Hondas are made in Ohio---Victories were being made in Iowa--Kawasaki in Lincoln Nebraska---(research how many parts on that new Harley AIN'T FROM AMERICA NO MORE---) its just not the same --your SUPPORTING American jobs buying most any of them now--in one way or another--
In my mind here is a simple easy PICTORIAL comparison
Harley:
MODERN Motorcycle --Honda-- Kawi-Suzuki-Triumph-Ducati---Moto Guzzi-- and on and on and on---
both are nice--- both sling lead-----but
WHICH do you REALLY want to enter the asphalt battle arena with ????????
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Dirt Bike magazine was my favorite as a teen. I remember super hunky and his Maico 501 as well as the GYDBT - Great Yellow Dirt Bike Truck.
DonP
Guest
well said---
I am a motorcyclist -- have been since i was 10--Im not a Biker (not that there is anything WRONG with that)
I rode EVERYTHING but a Harley for decades -- (3 ish to be exact before getting my Harley) -- ALWAYS wanted one -- because -- as a Native RED BLOODED Ohio youngster -- all the BAD A$$ guys at the bars etc HAD ONE --Evil Knievel--road a HARLEY --
After owning MANY brands--- and styles and models of motorcycle--- the trade off for the "cool" factor really declined in my 30's --- I dont care two
I want a bike that will get me there and back WHOLE and in one piece---EVERYTIME-- One that will allow me the torque AND speed and agility to out maneuver the soccer moms-- 16 year olds texting-- and blind retirees
There will be hate mail and arguments--- but Harley doesnt make a product that can do that--period--
the cornering is limited suspension travel a joke -- HP and acceleration (of stock what you buy on the floor DONT SHOW ME PICTURES OF NHRA HARLEYS BURNING NITRO_)---is LACKING at best--they are overweight and under pwered and under braked-- My 92 Sportster had parts designed from the 60's (before I was BORN) on it-- and HARLEY were PROUD of that "heritage" used it in MARKETING --- that isnt heritage that is cheap and lazy engineering ---
I love the look of a Harley(they are rolling art) and gorgeous to look at
the mega long stretched choppers are COOL -- like James Dean -- and Marlon Brando-- but I dont want to ride them either---
-- I even like the STOCK potato potato sound (not the open pipe ignorance)
AND FOR THE RECORD I dont like the WASP stinker IN A MEGAPHONE sound of the RICE ROCKETS EITHER -- STUPID --- your on a city street not Daytona Raceway! Just wear a sign that says IM A DOUCHE SQUID that cant RIDE! we would all be happier---
Also for a time the BUY AMERICAN mantra was well -- Harley ---- but now---Hondas are made in Ohio---Victories were being made in Iowa--Kawasaki in Lincoln Nebraska---(research how many parts on that new Harley AIN'T FROM AMERICA NO MORE---) its just not the same --your SUPPORTING American jobs buying most any of them now--in one way or another--
In my mind here is a simple easy PICTORIAL comparison
Harley:
MODERN Motorcycle --Honda-- Kawi-Suzuki-Triumph-Ducati---Moto Guzzi-- and on and on and on---
both are nice--- both sling lead-----but
WHICH do you REALLY want to enter the asphalt battle arena with ????????
No, that isn't a Harley. This is a Harley
RobV
Ambassador of Bedroom Wankery
OP
Session 5
Ambassador of Strings & Wings
well said---
I am a motorcyclist -- have been since i was 10--Im not a Biker (not that there is anything WRONG with that)
I rode EVERYTHING but a Harley for decades -- (3 ish to be exact before getting my Harley) -- ALWAYS wanted one -- because -- as a Native RED BLOODED Ohio youngster -- all the BAD A$$ guys at the bars etc HAD ONE --Evil Knievel--road a HARLEY --
After owning MANY brands--- and styles and models of motorcycle--- the trade off for the "cool" factor really declined in my 30's --- I dont care two
I want a bike that will get me there and back WHOLE and in one piece---EVERYTIME-- One that will allow me the torque AND speed and agility to out maneuver the soccer moms-- 16 year olds texting-- and blind retirees
There will be hate mail and arguments--- but Harley doesnt make a product that can do that--period--
the cornering is limited suspension travel a joke -- HP and acceleration (of stock what you buy on the floor DONT SHOW ME PICTURES OF NHRA HARLEYS BURNING NITRO_)---is LACKING at best--they are overweight and under pwered and under braked-- My 92 Sportster had parts designed from the 60's (before I was BORN) on it-- and HARLEY were PROUD of that "heritage" used it in MARKETING --- that isnt heritage that is cheap and lazy engineering ---
I love the look of a Harley(they are rolling art) and gorgeous to look at
the mega long stretched choppers are COOL -- like James Dean -- and Marlon Brando-- but I dont want to ride them either---
-- I even like the STOCK potato potato sound (not the open pipe ignorance)
AND FOR THE RECORD I dont like the WASP stinker IN A MEGAPHONE sound of the RICE ROCKETS EITHER -- STUPID --- your on a city street not Daytona Raceway! Just wear a sign that says IM A DOUCHE SQUID that cant RIDE! we would all be happier---
Also for a time the BUY AMERICAN mantra was well -- Harley ---- but now---Hondas are made in Ohio---Victories were being made in Iowa--Kawasaki in Lincoln Nebraska---(research how many parts on that new Harley AIN'T FROM AMERICA NO MORE---) its just not the same --your SUPPORTING American jobs buying most any of them now--in one way or another--
In my mind here is a simple easy PICTORIAL comparison
Harley:
MODERN Motorcycle --Honda-- Kawi-Suzuki-Triumph-Ducati---Moto Guzzi-- and on and on and on---
both are nice--- both sling lead-----but
WHICH do you REALLY want to enter the asphalt battle arena with ????????
Very WeLL SAID, My BOY!!!!!!!
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
LOVE That clip!!! -- gotta use that -- wow-- thank you --
not being a dick -- really-- laughed my ass off--
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Session 5
Ambassador of Strings & Wings
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
Really I dont hate Harleys --I do like them -- they are and were the driving force to get me to ride---and they are obviously (look at all the clones) the epitome of American motorcycling ---
From a marketing stand point (as we all know I love marketing) they are AMAZING -- the "Motor Company" logo is tattooed on more bodies than ANY OTHER LOGO in the world--period--that type of brand loyalty is unrivaled ---and commendable.
but -- I wont ride one
my decades of research and thousands of miles on two wheels put this as my ride of choice---
475 lbs---132 hp--on road off road 1 or 2 up short or long distance 2005 UGLY green fuel injected triple cylinder Triumph Tiger
no chrome to polish (hell I only wash it every 3 years if it needs it or not) brake pads-- batteries and tires are all I've replaced in 12 years
but they arent for everyone--
1. min. 34 inch inseam or forget about it its a TALL bike
2. strong desire to NOT look like anyone else--
3. see number 1 because at zero mph 475 lbs loaded with fuel is a top heavy P.I.A.
4. Tigers like to nap -- on their sides ---often (Ive dropped this thing in the yard (3 times) off a trailer once-- in the driveway -- and on a dirt cow trail with deep (DEEEP) sand...
5. they are DURABLE and can be dropped----often --- (without harming costly CHROME bits--)
6......now where did I put that number 6..............
---- its not just this bike--- Ive owned dirt-- street- track -- cruiser-- "standard" and basically every STYLE of bike the "dual sport" truly is the best all around motorcycle for doing-- anything
but Im a bass player -- what do I KNOW....
From a marketing stand point (as we all know I love marketing) they are AMAZING -- the "Motor Company" logo is tattooed on more bodies than ANY OTHER LOGO in the world--period--that type of brand loyalty is unrivaled ---and commendable.
but -- I wont ride one
my decades of research and thousands of miles on two wheels put this as my ride of choice---
475 lbs---132 hp--on road off road 1 or 2 up short or long distance 2005 UGLY green fuel injected triple cylinder Triumph Tiger
no chrome to polish (hell I only wash it every 3 years if it needs it or not) brake pads-- batteries and tires are all I've replaced in 12 years
but they arent for everyone--
1. min. 34 inch inseam or forget about it its a TALL bike
2. strong desire to NOT look like anyone else--
3. see number 1 because at zero mph 475 lbs loaded with fuel is a top heavy P.I.A.
4. Tigers like to nap -- on their sides ---often (Ive dropped this thing in the yard (3 times) off a trailer once-- in the driveway -- and on a dirt cow trail with deep (DEEEP) sand...
5. they are DURABLE and can be dropped----often --- (without harming costly CHROME bits--)
6......now where did I put that number 6..............
---- its not just this bike--- Ive owned dirt-- street- track -- cruiser-- "standard" and basically every STYLE of bike the "dual sport" truly is the best all around motorcycle for doing-- anything
but Im a bass player -- what do I KNOW....
