Ford VS Chevy

eSGEe said:
yes -- the Boss 302 was a 12 second car off the show room floor --- and I LOVE everything about it the look the sound -- NOT THE PRICE--- NOT THE UP KEEP

and now so is this .......new -- with better brakes -- bluetooth sunroof 4 doors --- and a 60,000 mile bumper to bumper WARRANTY

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With all wheel drive for less than HALF the min. buy in of a 70's Boss 302 ......oh and A/C -- climate zone leather seating sat nav and satalite radio................
IS ALSO A 12 Second 1/4 mile car .................................................................................................

not to mention OFF the straight track the Stinger on a road course VS the BOSS 302............not even a contest kids all the ford would see is tailights
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Yah, I personally don't understand the appeal of those old muscle cars (and my first car was a '70 Cutlass 442). They really are not good cars. Terrible brakes, terrible handling, terrible build quality, pollution machines, unreliable, loud, uncomfortable, UNSAFE, waste enormous amounts of fuel. I could go on, but I feel ya, would rather a modern machine in every possible way.
 
Session 5 said:
You can type fast Adrian....was it something I said...
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HA!--- dude -- you have no Idea --
I have 5 windows open Im responding too in google -5 I am watching in Explorer and 2 email servers (personal and work) , for me as well as a laptop monitoring my bosses email--texting with the crew foreman about tomorrow----- (...........and Im "relaxing" at present.........my "typing" and multitasking/juggling would totally blow your mind ;) )
FYI I started at 3:45.........A.M. today ................
;)
 
gball said:
Yah, I personally don't understand the appeal of those old muscle cars (and my first car was a '70 Cutlass 442). They really are not good cars. Terrible brakes, terrible handling, terrible build quality, pollution machines, unreliable, loud, uncomfortable, UNSAFE, waste enormous amounts of fuel. I could go on, but I feel ya, would rather a modern machine in every possible way.
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The appeal for me is simple: they are classic relics of a bygone era where pure American ingenuity and craftsmanship was given to every single inch of the car.

I would agree with most of your points on efficiency, noise, safety, comfort, handling and brakes on most that were drum only, but not quality. The quality was legendary to say the least and theres a reason they're so sought after today. Modern cars would fit the description of poor build quality more accurately, especially in the overloaded electronics that consistently fail and the structures are worse than ever. Proof positive is check out how many vehicles in the past decade have had vast recalls with many being life threatening design flaws.

But despite old muscle cars' lack of modern appeal and limitations: there is NOTHING quite like hoping behind the wheel of a nicely built/rebuilt classic, hitting the gas and just letting it roar and soar down the road.

Kinda like playing a cool sleek modern amplifier with all the bells and whistles that can do whatever you want but feels synthetic at heart. And then getting to play thru a no nonsense, old classic stack, where a simple A Chord played thru it cracks your ribs into powder. Theres something beautiful and iconic in simplicity
 
and that..........is why both exist

Would I take a 59 Les Paul (vintage hotness) on a tour of the DIVE BARS of west coast Florida gig sessions............nope Id take an Epiphone or Squire (modern cheap function) ..............

We are in wonderful times where both co exist
 
Clockworkmike said:
The appeal for me is simple: they are classic relics of a bygone era where pure American ingenuity and craftsmanship was given to every single inch of the car.

I would agree with most of your points on efficiency, noise, safety, comfort, handling and brakes on most that were drum only, but not quality. The quality was legendary to say the least and theres a reason they're so sought after today. Modern cars would fit the description of poor build quality more accurately, especially in the overloaded electronics that consistently fail and the structures are worse than ever. Proof positive is check out how many vehicles in the past decade have had vast recalls with many being life threatening design flaws.

But despite old muscle cars' lack of modern appeal and limitations: there is NOTHING quite like hoping behind the wheel of a nicely built/rebuilt classic, hitting the gas and just letting it roar and soar down the road.

Kinda like playing a cool sleek modern amplifier with all the bells and whistles that can do whatever you want but feels synthetic at heart. And then getting to play thru a no nonsense, old classic stack, where a simple A Chord played thru it cracks your ribs into powder. Theres something beautiful and iconic in simplicity
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I'll never agree with you on the quality issue. In my experience (cars my family owned, cars I owned, cars friends owned (including a couple that were epic gear heads), anecdotal stories along the way) they were poorly designed, dangerous pieces of junk and the only reason they were even allowed on the road, again my opinion only, is that there was not a comprehensive recall system in place to deal with all the issues. And even the fast ones were only fast if you had a few miles of perfectly straight road - one curve and you're getting smoked by a guy in a VW Bug.
 
So true Mike , the muscle cars were a different era, we cant put them in the same basket as todays cars. Back in those days guys wanted something fast and something flashy, no body back then cared about the price of gas it was cheap in those days. The auto makers of today did what the automakers of the past did made cars appealing to the buyers, selling cars is what its all about, and back then that's what they did. Muscle cars was were it was at in those times every younger to middle aged guy wanted one. The big three wanted to sell cars, so they made them and we bought them. May the muscle cars never die, don't crush them restore them.
 
my friends Mom had a Ford Econoline van in the early 80s.......had to have been a 70's era van............2 front bucket seats.........WALL TO WALL SHAG CARPETS and .........BEAN BAGS for chairs
we LOVED riding to the ROLLER RINK or ANYWHERE with Jasons Mom ...........no seats....bean bags SLIDING all over the carpet --- GO FASTER OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS !!!!! and she DID we we would "get air" on the bean bags....................................................we LOVED it -- it was an AWESOME youthful memory

IF A PARENT DID THAT TODAY THEY WOULD BE SUED--- DRAWN QUARTERED ---EXECUTED AND SUED AGAIN ------

was it "right" (by todays measure no) --- as a KID at the time it was FOOGIN AWESOME !

my Grandkids sit and stare "safely" at TINY screens .............................................almost AFFRAID to go OUTSIDE --------

WE LIVED OUTSIDE ---- period -- INSIDE had ADULTS and CHORES and HOMEWORK ------------OUTSIDE it was!

WE have scars..............on the "outside" -- sadly I believe more of their generation will have them on the INSIDE .................................
 
gball said:
I'll never agree with you on the quality issue. In my experience (cars my family owned, cars I owned, cars friends owned (including a couple that were epic gear heads), anecdotal stories along the way) they were poorly designed, dangerous pieces of junk and the only reason they were even allowed on the road, again my opinion only, is that there was not a comprehensive recall system in place to deal with all the issues. And even the fast ones were only fast if you had a few miles of perfectly straight road - one curve and you're getting smoked by a guy in a VW Bug.
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To each there own. Im not trying to argue or anything but rather give my perspective on the appeal. I never saw one of the classic era ( 1964-1972) muscle cars be known for their bad quality of craftsmanship; Rather they are applauded for it. Mechanically speaking, sure, many would get leaks from seals but thats because of the raw power and shaking the cars endured from hi compression and oversized camshafts that jar the engine. But again, theres an appeal in that like how old Harley Davidsons would shake themselves apart and leak from the hi output motors.

But im not bashing modern cars, because i drive two and an old muscle car is impractical at $2.20 a gallon gas with a 12 gallon tank that gets about 8mpg. But when I had one and felt like burning $30 in about 90mins, it was a blast every time lol
 
AGREED Mike -- my first car was a 454 loaded Monte Carlo ----- DAMN THAT WAS FUN
and if I could have another tomorrow........I would (Ill PM you my address for delivery ;) )

on the other hand ----Ive not had to adjust a carb...or points.....or touch wrench on my kia in 60k miles ..............

I love both -- for different reasons and different seasons........... of life
 
My very first used car was a bug, had it for a short time, then I bought this used Chev Biscayne this guy had made it into a quarter miler car, he used to take to the drags. It was just a normal 4 door sedan, that I and my friends called it the sleeper. It had some body work patches on it, the colour was a dark green. But under the hood was A 396 with what he told me was a tricky cam. I was learning about engines didn't know a lot about them at that time, but heard guys talk about the 396 that it was fast. We would go cruising the city streets, so many cars we would sit at the stop lights, you know rev up the engines then the light turns green, yep pedal to the metal, I have to tell you the sleeper kicked quite a few stoplight to stoplight. We would stop at the sub places parking lots, and open up the hoods. There were some guys couldn't understand why I beat them until I lifted the hood. I wish I had some pictures of that car she wasn't purdy, but man when you got on that pedal it was exhilarating. It was a lot of fun!!!!
 
I like this car too, i never owned muscle car or anything similar so i cant say much,. I just like the looks. But what i hear is , those muscle cars have problem cornering and handling... but what do i know, i only driven , Bmw, Fiat (never again) , Ford, Volvo,Skoda,Peuget (never again), Vw, now i drive Citroen Berlingo its has lot of space but its like a driving can of beans... i only bought it for wheelchair access for work i needed a car and i found it it was very cheap compared to others...

Now it has 1 more year left till its too old to use for cabbing... next one will be Vw passat or Skoda octavia/superb... we shall see, what my fiancees would be like , i might end uo cabbing with horse lol9AF398AF-42A8-45FA-A7BD-2C993BC4230E.jpeg
 
Ramo said:
I like this car too, i never owned muscle car or anything similar so i cant say much,. I just like the looks. But what i hear is , those muscle cars have problem cornering and handling... but what do i know, i only driven , Bmw, Fiat (never again) , Ford, Volvo,Skoda,Peuget (never again), Vw, now i drive Citroen Berlingo its has lot of space but its like a driving can of beans... i only bought it for wheelchair access for work i needed a car and i found it it was very cheap compared to others...

Now it has 1 more year left till its too old to use for cabbing... next one will be Vw passat or Skoda octavia/superb... we shall see, what my fiancees would be like , i might end uo cabbing with horse lolView attachment 52489
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You know, the only times in my life I ever took a cab happened to be in London and Dublin, now that i think about it. First time i ever took a cab in my life was in London about 12 years ago because the Underground was down at 3 of the nearest stations due to a signal failure and we had about 15 mins to get from one end of the city to the other. Hailed a cabbie, slipped him an extra £20 to step on it and he got us there like a madman. Absolute blast lol
 
Clockworkmike said:
You know, the only times in my life I ever took a cab happened to be in London and Dublin, now that i think about it. First time i ever took a cab in my life was in London about 12 years ago because the Underground was down at 3 of the nearest stations due to a signal failure and we had about 15 mins to get from one end of the city to the other. Hailed a cabbie, slipped him an extra £20 to step on it and he got us there like a madman. Absolute blast lol
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i step on the gas if my customer is nice to me, if they are ass i drive below speed limit lol


London is crazy i hate driving there , too many cameras, congestion charge, busy as hell and people usually are pissed as the pace of life is really fast there.
 
Ramo said:
i step on the gas if my customer is nice to me, if they are ass i drive below speed limit lol


London is crazy i hate driving there , too many cameras, congestion charge, busy as hell and people usually are pissed as the pace of life is really fast there.
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Lol i agree completely. My wife asked why we never rented a car and i bursted out laughing. It would be a nightmare trying to drive on the rightside of a car on the leftside of the road from years of the complete opposite here in the US. But in the manic paced speed of London? You gotta be crazy lol

But i absolutely love the UK, not just London. I felt right at home over there and slipped into the daily routine within just a few days. Im a history buff and i love music, so thats the perfect country for me lol
 
Clockworkmike said:
Lol i agree completely. My wife asked why we never rented a car and i bursted out laughing. It would be a nightmare trying to drive on the rightside of a car on the leftside of the road from years of the complete opposite here in the US. But in the manic paced speed of London? You gotta be crazy lol

But i absolutely love the UK, not just London. I felt right at home over there and slipped into the daily routine within just a few days. Im a history buff and i love music, so thats the perfect country for me lol
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I drive for living and i hate driving there for tourists must be even worse.

UK is very nice specially country sides, only problem is ver very narrow roads, some places only one car space wide and that road is 2 way street :))) if you get ass drive usually its stand off who back up.
There is are in my city where is like that and this woman wanted me to back up entire street in rain at night with four girls in my car ready for party and screaming their head off, i said to here no F**** way you backing of as you are closer to the other end than i am lol

City i live they call it London by the sea, it lot smaller and busy like London. We had green party as council and they messed up whole city. Put 20mph speed in 30mph zone and one time leader of green party took a cab and she said to driver if he could step on it, cabbie said you wanted 20mph now deal with it. LoooL :)))
 
Love both, but drove way more Fords than Chevies.

My band is named after a Ford model.

Owned a Ford I loved for seven years and still regret swapping it for a ricer that is way nicer, but still I don't love it like I did the Ford.

So... Stang.
 
Clockworkmike said:
To each there own. Im not trying to argue or anything but rather give my perspective on the appeal. I never saw one of the classic era ( 1964-1972) muscle cars be known for their bad quality of craftsmanship; Rather they are applauded for it. Mechanically speaking, sure, many would get leaks from seals but thats because of the raw power and shaking the cars endured from hi compression and oversized camshafts that jar the engine. But again, theres an appeal in that like how old Harley Davidsons would shake themselves apart and leak from the hi output motors.

But im not bashing modern cars, because i drive two and an old muscle car is impractical at $2.20 a gallon gas with a 12 gallon tank that gets about 8mpg. But when I had one and felt like burning $30 in about 90mins, it was a blast every time lol
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No fight here, we all have our own experience and opinions. I had the Olds, my various friends had Chevelle's, Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds, One guy I knew had a Maverick Grabber, there was a Duster or two. Anyway, the one unifying thing that I remember is all of us constantly working on the things to keep them running, intermittent electrics, touchy carburetors, poorly fitting body panels, awful interior materials that fell apart and every one of them turning inexorably into a pile of rust dust. My experience only, but I don't remember those cars fondly.
 
gball said:
No fight here, we all have our own experience and opinions. I had the Olds, my various friends had Chevelle's, Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds, One guy I knew had a Maverick Grabber, there was a Duster or two. Anyway, the one unifying thing that I remember is all of us constantly working on the things to keep them running, intermittent electrics, touchy carburetors, poorly fitting body panels, awful interior materials that fell apart and every one of them turning inexorably into a pile of rust dust. My experience only, but I don't remember those cars fondly.
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Oh i can agree with the mechanics definitely. Carburetors by nature are finicky and distributor caps, namely rotor buttons are constantly going out. Electronic ignition and timing is certainly better, so is fuel injection and its a faster response to the engine with no delays. Comfort features today like far better air conditioning, power windows, heated mirrors and antilock brakes are way better too.

There is an advantage though to an old car vs a new and thats the fact anyone with a set of tools and a little know how could work and repair their cars themselves. Things today are so complicated and intricate, you can barely maintain a car beyond changing your own oil or air filter. Some are so screwed up, you cant even get to the batteries without removing a wheel and a wheel shroud. I had a Stratus like that lol
 
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