Factory Gibson Defect Thread:

Robert Herndon said:
Hey, Man...

That's not saying there is any lack of talent elsewhere. I love everything by the Eagles, for example...and I love Rory Gallagher's music, but there is something about Dio's chord progressions that just grab me musically.

I guess I need the music to draw me into the song, because the moment I hear an intro, I see fingers on the fretboard in my head and I start down a musical pathway....its like I can actually "see" the arrangement of each instrument in my head....I can heard the chord changes coming...I predict them...I get totally enthralled in the guitar's tone and it's placement within the arrangements.

Some songs, some very famous songs, by some very famous people, just can't draw me in.

There are actually some very famous songs from the 1960's, and even more recent "monster hits" that I have never heard in their entirety....because I change the channel or pop in a CD as soon as they come on...the musical progression just doesn't engage me mentally, so I move on immediately to something that does...
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Yea man, I completely understand. That wasn't a knock. I get it. That's why I listed Andy larocque.....he's someone that, probably no one here knows of, but draws me in. I can picture his movements, and forget about all the other instruments.

He's dark, metal, but tasty. Knowing his entire works, has led me to my enjoyment of his playing.

Im with ya on the big hits....I don't get moved just because it's popular. Heck, most of my enjoyment comes from very unpopular music.

As for Dio, I've seen him many times. He is king.....or co-king at worst. I've seen him solo, with Sabbath, but nothing beats the Dio/Campbell combo. It's a shame they had such a stressful relationship.
 
Bocc69 said:
Yea man, I completely understand. That wasn't a knock. I get it. That's why I listed Andy larocque.....he's someone that, probably no one here knows of, but draws me in. I can picture his movements, and forget about all the other instruments.

He's dark, metal, but tasty. Knowing his entire works, has led me to my enjoyment of his playing.

Im with ya on the big hits....I don't get moved just because it's popular. Heck, most of my enjoyment comes from very unpopular music.

As for Dio, I've seen him many times. He is king.....or co-king at worst. I've seen him solo, with Sabbath, but nothing beats the Dio/Campbell combo. It's a shame they had such a stressful relationship.
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Agreed on all points!

I will check out this Andy fellow!
 
Bocc69 said:
Careful....the music he's in, may churn some stomach acids.
Just your typical neo-classic metal style.
Currently a Dean guy
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You know...I really don't like my own music. Maybe that's why I procrastinate so on my own projects. I have volumes of partially completed works. My own music appears as this really strange, almost heavy metal bluegrass, which I don't particularly care for...some of the songs are, perhaps a bit Skynard-ish, but with a more Campbell Dio-era tone...the two just don't go together...but I cannot seem to write outside this bizarre genre and I have no idea from whence it comes...I am troubled by this.
 
JohnnyGoo said:
Not defending the big G cause i have a couple of them myself Robert but im sure all companies let out a few duds.I dont think were all Gibson haters its just you expect more out of one of Americas greatest and biggest and most $$$$$$$ guitar makers.
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Yeap. You'll find anything odd in any guitar, made by any maker...

Sucks that standard and higher US models feature some uglinesses, though.

P.S. If I knew what site the link was to, I wouldn't even have bothered to click on it.
 
JohnnyGoo said:
Like going to the Gibson and Marshall museum .
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Gibson section is the other wall..

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FYI: that is an old Gibson Clavioline in that box (upper left) along with the amp pieces from the decayed cabinet (lower left).
Funny thing is this is the Gibson stuff I don't really use & there is another 15 or so older Gibson & Epiphone amps stashed around the house. Most all the 50's Gibson stuff is godly sounding & make for a great 'B' amp for studio stereo recording when paired with a more aggressive amp on the 'A' side.



Robert Herndon said:
You know...I really don't like my own music. Maybe that's why I procrastinate so on my own projects. I have volumes of partially completed works. My own music appears as this really strange, almost heavy metal bluegrass, which I don't particularly care for...some of the songs are, perhaps a bit Skynard-ish, but with a more Campbell Dio-era tone...the two just don't go together...but I cannot seem to write outside this bizarre genre and I have no idea from whence it comes...I am troubled by this.
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This is where the whole 'having more than 1 guitar' idea really comes into play.

I'll just sat that owning multiple instruments with individual personalities of tone & feel is palette educating & broadens the possibilities of expression. Heck, some guitars can be very inspirational & even elicit sparks of creativity simply because of what they are, what they sound like & how they play.

The same goes for amplifiers!

This is part of the reason that the whole owning only one guitar theory smacks of being 'limiting' & intentionally closed minded to the very real benefits & personal joys that different guitars can offer use as guitarists, musicians, writers & artists.

Sometimes making ourselves step outside of our comfort zones or established norms & entertaining ideas we once thought silly, stupid or not worth while can surprise us & end up bringing new life, insight & fresh creativity.
 
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Robert Herndon said:
You know...I really don't like my own music. Maybe that's why I procrastinate so on my own projects. I have volumes of partially completed works. My own music appears as this really strange, almost heavy metal bluegrass, which I don't particularly care for...some of the songs are, perhaps a bit Skynard-ish, but with a more Campbell Dio-era tone...the two just don't go together...but I cannot seem to write outside this bizarre genre and I have no idea from whence it comes...I am troubled by this.
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There's a youtube video somewhere, with some famous guitarist giving advice on solo playing. "Don't play the solo you want to play, play the solo you want to listen to. And most of all, the point where you decide to stop is almost certainly five minutes after you should have stopped".
 
Relic said:
Gibson section is the other wall..




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This is where the whole 'having more than 1 guitar' idea really comes into play.

I'll just sat that owning multiple instruments with individual personalities of tone & feel is palette educating & broadens the possibilities of expression. Heck, some guitars can be very inspirational & even elicit sparks of creativity simply because of what they are, what they sound like & how they play.

The same goes for amplifiers!

This is part of the reason that the whole owning only one guitar theory smacks of being 'limiting' & intentionally closed minded to the very real benefits & personal joys that different guitars can offer use as guitarists, musicians, writers & artists.

Sometimes making ourselves step outside of our comfort zones or established norms & entertaining ideas we once thought silly, stupid or not worth while can surprise us & end up bringing new life, insight & fresh creativity.
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Amplifiers, yes. Guitars, no. For me, a guitar has to speak to me. So few of them do. Most just feel lifeless and boring. I can't make music with that. Having 15 lifeless corpses won't do anything for me. Been there..played many, many rental Gibson's in various studios...yes, even played a documented and coveted '59 Les Paul from a collection that just felt foreign and boring.

Amplifiers are like a fine tuner to me...
 
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Relic said:
They all speak to me Robert.
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That's awesome! Not me though...I need a certain feel, the right nuances...tone...only a handful of guitars have ever possessed it.

As a studio player, I've played a lot of high end stuff... $14,000 PRS's and everything in between, to include studio rentals.

I can play anything...and fairly well...but only a handful of them have what I need to give my very best...
 
Robert Herndon said:
Most just feel lifeless and boring. I can't make music with that. Having 15 lifeless corpses won't do anything for me. Been there..played many, many rental Gibson's in various studios...yes, even played a documented and coveted '59 Les Paul from a collection that just felt foreign and boring.
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When you think about that, it really isn't the fault of the guitar is it?
It is something you are experiencing or not allowing yourself to experience.
You just might need some inspirational sessions with a Guitar Whisperer broski.

Some awareness & mindfulness (listening to & controlling your inner voice) sound needed to free yourself back up to being open to the basic joy every guitar has to offer simply by it's designed nature.
I don't know exactly what your issues are surrounding the guitar but I think we can all agree, you definitely have them.
 
My only musical regret, is putting down the guitar for a period of years. Hate that....but I'm making up for it.


I lack of proficiency, and complete technical literacy, isn't a curse to me.

My musical benefit is, I enjoy it so much. I have nice guitars, and some not so nice.....someday, regretfully, I don't have enough energy for a solid practice. So, I do what's second best.....I just look at them......and Smile!! :D
 
I was posting a number of documentaries in the videos section for ones I found interesting and felt like I should add this one in here regarding defects.
In the docu, it speaks about Norlin and other dumb decisions made by Gibson and how they kept missing the secret, Stick to the originals.

Hear that Henry J?
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
I was posting a number of documentaries in the videos section for ones I found interesting and felt like I should add this one in here regarding defects.
In the docu, it speaks about Norlin and other dumb decisions made by Gibson and how they kept missing the secret, Stick to the originals.

Hear that Henry J?
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I think Gibson's only real mistake is a lack of attention to detail. The older Gibson's were well made...but they were built by a group of people with a different mindset.

I really like the wider, "clubby," untapered Gibson 1950's era neck and I prefer Gibson scale length.

I also really like Gibson's in general, but I've had a lot of trouble finding a good one.
 
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