gball
Ambassador of Boogie
That image is from Boss, but Pedaltrain has one:
And I think there are a few others out there.
Don't really need it, but wanted it... HNNS2D!
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That image is from Boss, but Pedaltrain has one:
And I think there are a few others out there.
That image is from Boss, but Pedaltrain has one:
And I think there are a few others out there.
Thank you, Man...
Here's a quick and dirty sketch of my signal path. I rented a rehearsal studio for over a week just to figure this out at full volume and this arrangement gave me the best overall ambiance and most equality among the effects, including the left EQ volume boost for solos without adding colour to the mix.
The volume pedal allows me to keep the amp volume on 8-9 and control volume without altering the gain level. I can still turn the guitar volume down - if needed - to clean things up...
The volume pedal allows me to keep the amp volume on 8-9 and control volume without altering the gain level. I can still turn the guitar volume down - if needed - to clean things up...
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syscokid
Ambassador of War & Peace
That last part is very important to me. Right now I'm getting satisfying results with the threshold at about 10 to 11 o'clock and the decay control almost completely minimized. But I have not experimented at jam fest volumes yet. In comparison to the illustration you posted, I guess I'm isolating the amp's fx loop from the NS-2. I'm going to have to try it like how it is in that illustration.
The x-pattern is usually employed to include the amplifiers preamp in the loop by using the effects loop/preamp send and return. There are some good youtube videos out there for specific applications/instructions. I used to use mine, in the x-pattern, with my Laney.
I have an EHX Silencer. I do not like it at all....because of the threshold set up. It’s way to abrupt, and there is no way to adjust that parameter(That I can find)...it’s very “off switch” like.
edit: hysteresis was the parameter that I was thinking of, in relation to the threshold...the EHX has a horrible(just my opinion) hard set, non adjustable choice for hysteresis.
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I just go by feel for each rig I put it in to, and each location. Generally, I end up at around 2:00, and 10:30, from left to right. I think I may have it set a bit more aggressively for the Phaez feeding 6x12s.
gball
Ambassador of Boogie
The x-pattern is usually employed to include the amplifiers preamp in the loop by using the effects loop/preamp send and return. There are some good youtube videos out there for specific applications/instructions. I used to use mine, in the x-pattern, with my Laney.
I have an EHX Silencer. I do not like it at all....because of the threshold set up. It’s way to abrupt, and there is no way to adjust that parameter(That I can find)...it’s very “off switch” like.
That was my experience exactly. It would just abruptly cut off the note decay, and that is a 100% non-starter for me.
Anyway, that was when I was still in the band, and now that I am just playing at bedroom volumes there is no issue at all, but I will try the Boss one if I ever feel like I need one again.
I would recommend it....or the Decimator variants...
Also, see my edit to my post that you quoted.
Nit pick, but your purple arrows are backwards.
Yes, Sir...I tried every combination and this sounded the best and each pedal seems to add a very subtle nuance to the mix...
You're right!!@!!
Sorry to quote myself....
My settings may be more aggressive than some....probably due to my affinity for P90 pickups...some of them wound up fairly hot.
SkyMonkey
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My preferred pedalboard app is Pedal Playground: Pedal Playground
I run my NS-2 in the B loop of a Boss LS-2: Guitar>LS-2>MT-2>NS-2>LS-2>Zoom MS-70CDR>RC-3>FX Return.
For the A loop I run: Guitar>LS-2>OD-20>Spark>Preamp In>FX Send>LS-2>Zoom MS-70CDR>RC-3>FX Return.
I did try it in several configurations, including out front of the whole pedalboard and in the 'X' pattern.
'X' pattern gave me some strange volume swell problems, but I probably tried to cram too much (including the preamp) into the NS-2 Send/Return loop.
My setting's as aggressive as I can manage: Reduction Mode, Threshold ~8.5, Decay 0.
I find that if I raise the threshold any higher the volume of the signal starts to drop.
But also I think there is something wrong with the 2nd hand NS-2 I bought because there is definitely a general volume loss in the signal passed through.
That is why I have isolated it to be after a pedal that has a level control (to compensate) and it is always on (as is the MT-2).
If I turn my NS-2 off the volume jumps up.
To be honest though, I find the ZNR noise reduction in the Zoom MultiStomp, that is in both signal paths after my LS-2, is more reliable.
I am thinking of trading in the NS-2 and replacing it with another Zoom MultiStomp for Bass (MS-60B).
I could then use the MT-2 with just a preset for ZNR Noise Reduction (and maybe other compatible modules).
Then I can shut off the MT-2 and use the Zoom for bass preamp presets if I connect the pedalboard to a bass amp or record bass into the RC-3.
So, overall I am not a big fan of the NS-2.
It is my first dedicated Noise Reduction pedal, and I think mine is duff.
I hope yours if fairing better @syscokid
I run my NS-2 in the B loop of a Boss LS-2: Guitar>LS-2>MT-2>NS-2>LS-2>Zoom MS-70CDR>RC-3>FX Return.
For the A loop I run: Guitar>LS-2>OD-20>Spark>Preamp In>FX Send>LS-2>Zoom MS-70CDR>RC-3>FX Return.
I did try it in several configurations, including out front of the whole pedalboard and in the 'X' pattern.
'X' pattern gave me some strange volume swell problems, but I probably tried to cram too much (including the preamp) into the NS-2 Send/Return loop.
My setting's as aggressive as I can manage: Reduction Mode, Threshold ~8.5, Decay 0.
I find that if I raise the threshold any higher the volume of the signal starts to drop.
But also I think there is something wrong with the 2nd hand NS-2 I bought because there is definitely a general volume loss in the signal passed through.
That is why I have isolated it to be after a pedal that has a level control (to compensate) and it is always on (as is the MT-2).
If I turn my NS-2 off the volume jumps up.
To be honest though, I find the ZNR noise reduction in the Zoom MultiStomp, that is in both signal paths after my LS-2, is more reliable.
I am thinking of trading in the NS-2 and replacing it with another Zoom MultiStomp for Bass (MS-60B).
I could then use the MT-2 with just a preset for ZNR Noise Reduction (and maybe other compatible modules).
Then I can shut off the MT-2 and use the Zoom for bass preamp presets if I connect the pedalboard to a bass amp or record bass into the RC-3.
So, overall I am not a big fan of the NS-2.
It is my first dedicated Noise Reduction pedal, and I think mine is duff.
I hope yours if fairing better @syscokid
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Wow! That is a super aggressive setting...it’s not surprising that you’re not happy with it.
Wow! That is a super aggressive setting...it’s not surprising that you’re not happy with it.
Hmmm...My threshold is maxxed-out and decay is over 1/2 and there is zero volume loss and the delay tails are also unaffected.
I never switch the NS-2 off, even when I switch to a "clean" setting. If I wasn't running the NS-2 like this, I could not control my rig...
It is the very last pedal at the front of the amp...
Note the black cable that leaves the compressor, loops into a coil (providing a path for the FX loop straight cable entering the volume pedal) then goes under the board and emerges between the delay and chorus (in a white, plastic clip) to enter the NS-2.
The volume pedal and all FX on the left side of the board (except the NS-2) go into the FX loop and are denoted by orange cables. The only exception is the black, cloth covered cable connecting the left EQ and the delay.
I spent a week at Primo Rehearsal Studios in Riverside perfecting this arrangement and pedal order at stadium volumes.
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Yep...with your rig that’s to be expected. Having the decay at minimum is going to clamp the gate shut quickly, and will reduce the signal going through, noticeably, especially with the threshold set at or near max. Give it a try for yourself Robert...You may see what I mean.
SkyMonkey
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The MT-2 is a fairly aggressive pedal. I have set it to basically clamp down as quickly as possible.
I did try using it with other settings and in other positions on the signal chain before I Velcro'd everything down and this is the best.
But I really do think mine is faulty.