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Does The Wood Matter as Much as We've Been Told???
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OP
I want this triangle sticker for my Stratocaster...
OP
Tonight's amp and EQ settings....
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
Me either & i prefer specials & jr's. My older Gibsons..Do Not move much in tuning. I intonate every sting change & have a screwdriver in the band room for pickups..literal set any time. Always adjusting. Such minor minor tweaks.
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
work you say?
Loadsof it these days (thankfully)
My "office" last couple days and for the next week or so..... could be worse for sure...........
OP
Ok...yesterday, we played on a very, very small stage...I took YelloStrat along as primary with Purple Schecter as back up.
I went into this very open minded about YelloStrat and didn't really do anything different. No changes to EQ's from my practice sessions.
This venue actually had the best 'stage right' sound of any venue thus far. I could hear my guitar very, very well, which is unusual at these volume levels. I could also hear the other two guitarists, though at greatly reduced volumes on my side of the stage.
People out in the crowd sent back nothing but positive comments on our mix levels inside the venue, which was still clearly heard by folks out on the two large patios.
Once again, evaluating a guitar in a live mix gives an entirely different perspective of it compared to "nuance seeking" at home.
Evaluating a guitar at home, in a quiet environment, will have you wasting time, listening for subtlties you will never hear live.
In short, this kind of microscopic sonic evaluation is what leads you down the rabbit hole to dissatisfaction and the eternal quest for the next piece of new gear.
Don't waste your time listening with a microscope...
I went into this very open minded about YelloStrat and didn't really do anything different. No changes to EQ's from my practice sessions.
This venue actually had the best 'stage right' sound of any venue thus far. I could hear my guitar very, very well, which is unusual at these volume levels. I could also hear the other two guitarists, though at greatly reduced volumes on my side of the stage.
People out in the crowd sent back nothing but positive comments on our mix levels inside the venue, which was still clearly heard by folks out on the two large patios.
Once again, evaluating a guitar in a live mix gives an entirely different perspective of it compared to "nuance seeking" at home.
Evaluating a guitar at home, in a quiet environment, will have you wasting time, listening for subtlties you will never hear live.
In short, this kind of microscopic sonic evaluation is what leads you down the rabbit hole to dissatisfaction and the eternal quest for the next piece of new gear.
Don't waste your time listening with a microscope...
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Ebidis
Ambassador of Cross Legged Tele-Communication
Totally different things.
I Have had guitars that were amazing in a live mix, and completely 'meh' at home, and vice versa.
Depending on your needs, IMHO, the live mix is where the rubber meets the road.
OP
The at home, "forensic listening, " is why the guitar industry sells so many instruments.
OP
Playing my 25.5" against the band's other two Gibson's is another key point in getting such a broad spectrum of sound. They are heavy and dark and my tone has much more bite, so I remain in my own sonic spectrum.
Kerry Brown
Ambassador of the Great Northern Bar Jams
This is the key to playing live. You need to find your sonic space. Playing live is about the totality of the sound, striving to make the song better. Playing at home is about practicing or playing for your personal enjoyment. Very different things that may need different gear. I play a lot of acoustic live because usually no one else does so it's easy to find my place in the mix. I use an active DI with great EQ features direct into the board.
Ebidis
Ambassador of Cross Legged Tele-Communication
That is another factor to be considered for sure. Everyone in the band should occupy their own sonic space. That is why I like Teles so much. The other guys are playing Gibsons or Strats, with a Tele I can get right in the middle, or over the top.
Ebidis
Ambassador of Cross Legged Tele-Communication
I agree. I think the majority of the market is the hobbyist/bedroom player. There is nothing wrong with that, because let's face it; most of us spend a lot more time playing in our bedrooms than in front of an audience, so it's only natural that the industry caters to that market.
Have you been peeking?
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
when i mic up & its a lot...that tone was using to shape the song..almost always gets altered at recording time. Will take the conservative on left side as base track usually..more concerned about the sustaining Rythym to build upon & usualy then brighten up the Right,,, v30's are your friend at times at getting thru when you need to poke out.
when i start this band..more than likely jcm800 & mesa 50 cal+ L&R, so its set from the door in the mix, no fighting & both have their strenghts right at ya & compliment very well . def have made sure what ever is in Reaper n these songs can be played the same. I run the stuff back thru pa and take the parts out am playing for practice.
when i start this band..more than likely jcm800 & mesa 50 cal+ L&R, so its set from the door in the mix, no fighting & both have their strenghts right at ya & compliment very well . def have made sure what ever is in Reaper n these songs can be played the same. I run the stuff back thru pa and take the parts out am playing for practice.
Cadorman
Ambassador of the Catocaster
People really should try to avoid over analyzing this stuff. If you play quite at home you won't get a good tone because you aren't working the amp, speakers or room for that matter. You will chase tone forever like this. If you play even moderately loud at home I've found my hearing has adapted and nothing sounds like it did when I started. I'll like the way something sounds at one point, come back later and it sounds different. I just go with it.
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
Going to have 2 bedrooms & a loft area upstairs soon..was thinking studio & ISO, but kinda have that in the main room that will be set up for band practice already
Could make a monster model railroad set up or just regress back to a band flop house & let er rip
Could make a monster model railroad set up or just regress back to a band flop house & let er rip
OP
I'm the only high gain player in our group. I never turn down...I'm always punching people out with super mid-range high gain attack, but it compliments the "clean" Gibson's....
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
Got to thinking..since day 1 been in live bands..so we set to the drummer. I actually do not know 1 bedroom player..all my friends gig or are studio musicians. So when i came on gear sites few years ago.. just assumed prob everybody was making live music & played in bands..never even considered as a hobby. That is not a knock,,its just all i know..never had to make the gear shrink or squash
meaning when i reference..i think..drum level..or ISO booth in studio levels..getting the gear in their intended ranges ..thats all i know. at home always set up to drum level. Always got equipment that was for a band vs choking it down.
We all are dif. situations .. it makes gear comparisons difficult in a way..will say this..there is not nearly much negativity or equipment bashing in the gigging-studio world..kinda a given what works & will get the jobs done--and reliably.
OP
Great point!!!!
I started listening really critically while recording at home and ended up going down the rabbit hole big time...