Anyone interested in another TTR community "Happening?"

[Beagle]

I've read and reread this thread and can't get my head around it at all. As my musical tastes veer ever more towards the 1930s, I think I'll sit this out.

 

[BFT Gibson]

Concept albums are actually easier in a way.. it nails a theme down and you tell a progressive story.

 

[PLX]

I've read and reread this thread and can't get my head around it at all. As my musical tastes veer ever more towards the 1930s, I think I'll sit this out.

I looked at Suno and there's an Etta James AI

 

[TVvoodoo]

I've read and reread this thread and can't get my head around it at all. As my musical tastes veer ever more towards the 1930s, I think I'll sit this out.

Suno offers the opportunity to express yourself in any past, present or future musical flavor you can imagine, plus goofy genre mashups (Inuit throat-singing cyberpop anyone?). It'll even allow YOU to devise your own unique genre.

Choose tempo, instrumentation and mood, input your own musical guidance via audio clips, give it chords, lyrics and song structure, request a voice style, effects, it goes on. Request backup singers, a duet, string sections, funk horn sections, metal grind and/or full symphony.
OR, allow it to come up any of those things for you. However, the less guidance you provide, chances are you get that generic AI "slop."

If you can describe it, it has an honest go at it, spitting out a couple of attempts. Miraculously it's usually quite listenable with pro-"ish" mix and master. You can further shape that output with edit and remix prompts as well.

I'm sounding like a fan here, but I haven't used it for a year. I've actually been playing more guitar lately, but feel drawn to try combining the two, after seeing people chat about it. I'm having trouble getting motivated to work up drum tracks, and it's all beginning to sound the same to me. I'm guess I'm looking for ways to get excited about music again.

Perhaps I'm alone.

 

[Beagle]

Suno offers the opportunity to express yourself in any past, present or future musical flavor you can imagine, plus goofy genre mashups (Inuit throat-singing cyberpop anyone?). It'll even allow YOU to devise your own unique genre.

Choose tempo, instrumentation and mood, input your own musical guidance via audio clips, give it chords, lyrics and song structure, request a voice style, effects, it goes on. Request backup singers, a duet, string sections, funk horn sections, metal grind and/or full symphony.
OR, allow it to come up any of those things for you. However, the less guidance you provide, chances are you get that generic AI "slop."

If you can describe it, it has an honest go at it, spitting out a couple of attempts. Miraculously it's usually quite listenable with pro-"ish" mix and master. You can further shape that output with edit and remix prompts as well.

I'm sounding like a fan here, but I haven't used it for a year. I've actually been playing more guitar lately, but feel drawn to try combining the two, after seeing people chat about it. I'm having trouble getting motivated to work up drum tracks, and it's all beginning to sound the same to me. I'm guess I'm looking for ways to get excited about music again.

Perhaps I'm alone.

I'm really not interested in AI. I prefer to do things myself, even if it's writing MIDI files one note at a time for instruments I can't play myself.

 

[PLX]

Ok buddy.. I tracked a bass guitar in there - dialed back the bass knob on the amp ( i like to hear that low end while I'm tracking guitars, but once the bass is in there I always dial that back a good bit.)

 

[BFT Gibson]

Ahhh..breathing in some fresh air on this glorious morning !

 

[TVvoodoo]

Thank you very much to the esteemed members who've noted they will NOT be involved for various reasons. You've been seen and heard.

What's now required, the entire point of this thread is notification from those who wish to take part, or are on the fence with suggestions to make such an event more palatable.

I stand on my organizing record. Choose now to sulk on the sidelines as you grind and gnash your teeth, openly complaining how you can't follow the fun. Or, maybe try to bask in some shared community joy and broaden your horizons a little bit.

If we can't get seven committed participants by the end of day FRIDAY, I will hammer the kill switch. My God, the energy it takes to get musical curmudgeons up for something is just enormous.

Why the Damn Hell do we need all this newfangled electricity anyway? My kerosene lantern works just fine, thank you very much.

Cripes.

 

[Kerry Brown]

I've read and reread this thread and can't get my head around it at all. As my musical tastes veer ever more towards the 1930s, I think I'll sit this out.

Nothing wrong with that. I'm thinking of a folky/blues album that will involve some ukuleles. I've been heavily involved with teaching ukulele lately and would love to show how versatile they can be.

 

[Kerry Brown]

Thank you very much to the esteemed members who've noted they will NOT be involved for various reasons. You've been seen and heard.

What's now required, the entire point of this thread is notification from those who wish to take part, or are on the fence with suggestions to make such an event more palatable.

I stand on my organizing record. Choose now to sulk on the sidelines as you grind and gnash your teeth, openly complaining how you can't follow the fun. Or, maybe try to have some community musical joy and broaden your horizons a little bit.

If we can't get seven committed participants by the end of day FRIDAY, I will hammer the kill switch. My God, the energy it takes to get musical curmudgeons up for something is just enormous.

Why the Damn Hell do we need all this newfangled electricity anyway? My kerosene lantern works just fine, thank you very much.

Cripes.

I'm in.

 

[TVvoodoo]

Required reading:

what is a concept album and how do I make one?

Even without scratch-made cuts this is an ambitious endeavor. I want to help guide you through the process. Magic will happen. It's waiting there inside you, burning to be free.

 

[BFT Gibson]

Song1) I am Human
2) Digital Currency stole my money
3) You will own nothing and be happy
4) Wife left me for a bot
5) My computer tells me what i think now
6) Abomination of Desolation
7) Mark
8) Stand my ground
9) Faith always wins
10) Return of the King of kings & Lord of Lord's
11) New Jerusalem

 

[Jethro Rocker]

The AI was simply a suggestion for those who cannot or choose not to sing. It isn't necessary at all. Don't let that sway your decisions.
I have little desire right now to play let alone come up with new ideas. Just the way it is right now. I think this is a cool idea though.

 

[TVvoodoo]

Hold your horses there @BFT Gibson - but, that looks freakin' fantastic! Why not?

My brothers, some of us may soon embark upon an epic shared journey together. Those joining
will have the opportunity to become a "musical deity" with nearly unlimited powers to create a small,
musically-directed world in whichever ways you so choose.

Be dark, comedic, cinematic, irreverent, sarcastic, dramatic, joyful - all of it. Weave your dream.
It is not a competition, except against your own creative will and motivation.

Imagine being unfettered by "gear" "time" "skills" "age" "fussy bandmates," even "talent" LOL!
All those nasty things that drags you down, keeps you from creating your little "masterpiece" - POOF! - It's gone.

Or, keep doing what you're doing (or not doing). It's fine.

Project Orpheus will allow you to be as real or as fake as you want. All the control, no guilt, no shame.

There will be laughter, camaraderie, goosebumps, likely even genuine tears as we travel a wondrous path.
I believe it might evolve into the musical adventure of a lifetime for many of us.

I have high hopes and expectations of honest participation and creative/community positivity.
It may also fail enormously. it's fully another crazy TVvoodoo interactive online social experiment and I'm
big nervous for me, heck for everyone.

But I promise I'm going to try to not allow that happen, but community buy-in is crucial.

 

[PLX]

 

[BFT Gibson]

Hold your horses there @BFT Gibson - but, that looks freakin' fantastic! Why not?

My brothers, some of us may soon embark upon an epic shared journey together. Those joining
will have the opportunity to become a "musical deity" with nearly unlimited powers to create a small,
musically-directed world in whichever ways you so choose.

Be dark, comedic, cinematic, irreverent, sarcastic, dramatic, joyful - all of it. Weave your dream.
It is not a competition, except against your own creative will and motivation.

Imagine being unfettered by "gear" "time" "skills" "fussy bandmates," even "talent" LOL!
All that drags you down, keeps you from creating your little "masterpiece" - POOF! - It's gone.

Or, keep doing what you're doing (or not doing). It's fine.

Project Orpheus will allow you to be as real or as fake as you want. All the control, no guilt, no shame.
There will be laughter, camaraderie, goosebumps, likely even genuine tears as we travel a wondrous path.
I believe it might evolve into the musical adventure of a lifetime for many of us.

I have high hopes and expectations of honest participation and creative/community positivity.
It may also fail enormously. it's fully another crazy TVvoodoo interactive online social experiment and I'm
big nervous for me, heck for everyone.

But I promise I'm going to try to not allow that happen, but community buy-in is crucial.

Was just humoring myself with a theme for fun. I am mid recording full album again, usually 1 new song a week for 10 to 12 run. about 3 will make live in the band maybe. Don't have much time . Last Riffmaster was able to jump in on those quickie challenges here and there

 

[TVvoodoo]

If you are considering and worried about the time factor, I plan six week legs per song,
for a total of ten songs, one year to build your 'album' - thats the base of the event,
with smaller side challenges for general entertainment, and to help your concept album "fantasy package."

Total time to generate AI lyrics and a couple of songs of your choice in Suno?
You can actually start from absolute scratch and be done in about 40 seconds. You'll be A-ok.
But... you'll probably want to take a few stabs at it. However, if you can find twenty minutes,
put a little work in, it'll likely come out way MORE than fine.

Generate a few versions, re-master inside the software, say an hour or two over a few days?
You might even have a little fool's gold there. There's a learning curve, and we will all get stronger
as we go.

Or, settle into your DAW space and take twenty or thirty hours if you choose.
I want an environment where nobody should really care about how, or why. It's more about... WHAT.

I expect maybe a couple of you will play it fully no-effort to create an absolute AI SLOP collection.
I welcome that! It'll be interesting and fun to compare to pieces with actual effort behind them.

There will be levels of collaboration on every leg, but... they will be 100% self-directed.
The pairings will be randomized well in advance... YOU get to choose HOW you will collab.
It may be as simple as offering lyrics, a bridge, chorus or the verse. Maybe even the title
for the track, a bassline, guitar solo, even vox, or a re-master. I'm sure you fellas will have
lots of other ideas. We are all creatives to some extent.

The collab aspect is for the community-bonding factor, so we all some cross-ownership in the end.
If @Thatbastarddon comes in, I expect everyone will want his cowbell expertise.

Again, I'm still thinkng all this through. Suggestions are welcome, I will consider. 6 weeks is a long
time between "reveals" I'm wondering if we need to wait, or can just reveal them as they are complete.
I will have something small that ends and starts each round for general flow.

Three confirmed:
tvvoodoo
Kerry Brown
PLX

 

[PLX]

If you are considering and worried about the time factor, I plan six week legs per song,
for a total of ten songs, one year to build your 'album' - thats the base of the event,
with smaller side challenges for general entertainment, and to help your concept album "fantasy package."

Total time to generate AI lyrics and a couple of songs of your choice in Suno?
You can actually start from absolute scratch and be done in about 40 seconds. You'll be A-ok.
But... you'll probably want to take a few stabs at it. However, if you can find twenty minutes,
put a little work in, it'll likely come out way MORE than fine.

Generate a few versions, re-master inside the software, say an hour or two over a few days?
You might even have a little fool's gold there. There's a learning curve, and we will all get stronger
as we go.

Or, settle into your DAW space and take twenty or thirty hours if you choose.
I want an environment where nobody should really care about how, or why. It's more about... WHAT.

I expect maybe a couple of you will play it fully no-effort to create an absolute AI SLOP collection.
I welcome that! It'll be interesting and fun to compare to pieces with actual effort behind them.

There will be levels of collaboration on every leg, but... they will be 100% self-directed.
The pairings will be randomized well in advance... YOU get to choose HOW you will collab.
It may be as simple as offering lyrics, a bridge, chorus or the verse. Maybe even the title
for the track, a bassline, guitar solo, even vox, or a re-master. I'm sure you fellas will have
lots of other ideas. We are all creatives to some extent.

The collab aspect is for the community-bonding factor, so we all some cross-ownership in the end.
If @Thatbastarddon comes in, I expect everyone will want his cowbell expertise.

Again, I'm still thinkng all this through. Suggestions are welcome, I will consider. 6 weeks is a long
time between "reveals" I'm wondering if we need to wait, or can just reveal them as they are complete.
I will have something small that ends and starts each round for general flow.

Three confirmed:
tvvoodoo
Kerry Brown
PLX

Why does Suno's vocals sounds bad ?

Do you have to pay to get a decent vocalist ?

 

[TVvoodoo]

@PLX you have obviously not spent much time listening to Suno tracks.

The vocals are way better than I, or anyone I know can personally muster, not saying much I guess.

The available variety is crazy. Ask for a whispery sexy femme torch singer. You got it.
Gritty yarlin' grunge? you got it. Full tilt cookie-monster? Not a problem.
It's more up to you to be able to find ways to describe what you want, I think.

Southern-accent country belle? No problem, geez, i even got a fake Garth Brooks once.

When the AI Comes

Listen and make your own on Suno.

suno.com

I personally don't hear much problem with this, - other than a mildly mispronounced word.

Why You're Leavin'

Listen and make your own on Suno.

suno.com

The above are a year old, I keep hearing how it's now much improved over time. I think if you
are seeking perfection/creative control, and that will drive you nuts, this may not be for you.
It can feel a little bit like pulling the handle of a slot machine sometimes.

The bigger problem is finding that one voice you like (a "persona") and needing it repeatedly.
I'm not sure if you can do that with the free version. Therefore some of our concept albums may
end out sounding more like Alan Parsons Project records with "guest" vocalists.

There's always Fiver too, you know.

Also, adding this:

Techniques for Specific Vocal Types in Suno - proven methods to target voice characteristics.
Experiment in Custom Mode for full control.

1. Specify Gender and Range:
   • Basic: "male vocals" or "female singer."
   • Advanced: Use vocal ranges for nuance—soprano (high female), alto (mid female), tenor (high male), baritone/bass (low male).
   • Example Style Prompt: "Female mezzo-soprano, breathy and intimate, indie folk."
   • In Lyrics: [Chorus: Baritone male, gravelly] Your chorus lyrics here.
2. Add Tone and Texture:
   • Descriptors like "gritty," "smooth," "nasal," or "whispered" shape delivery.
   • For Effects: Add "auto-tuned," "reverbed," or "harmonized" sparingly.
   • Example: To get a "deep, smoky lounge voice" for jazz: "Velvety bass male, smoky timbre, Frank Sinatra style."
3. Incorporate Genre and Artist References:
   • Tie to genres: "Punk rock, raw screamed female vocals" for aggression.
   • Artist Inspo: "Like Adele's powerhouse belts" or "Drake's laid-back mumble-rap."
   • Pro Tip: Suno responds well to 70s/80s icons for vintage tones (e.g., "David Bowie theatrical tenor")

In regards to a small taste of the unbridled POWER available to you... spend TEN minutes browsing this

WHEEL OF MADNESS

 

[PLX]

@PLX you have obviously not spent much time listening to Suno tracks.

The vocals are way better than I, or anyone I know can personally muster, not saying much I guess.

The available variety is crazy. Ask for a whispery sexy femme torch singer. You got it.
Gritty yarlin' grunge? you got it. Full tilt cookie-monster? Not a problem.
It's more up to you to be able to find ways to describe what you want, I think.

Southern-accent country belle? No problem, geez, i even got a fake Garth Brooks once.

When the AI Comes

Listen and make your own on Suno.

suno.com

I personally don't hear much problem with this, - other than a mildly mispronounced word.

Why You're Leavin'

Listen and make your own on Suno.

suno.com

The above are a year old, I keep hearing how it's now much improved over time. I think if you
are seeking perfection/creative control, and that will drive you nuts, this may not be for you.
It can feel a little bit like pulling the handle of a slot machine sometimes.

The bigger problem is finding that one voice you like (a "persona") and needing it repeatedly.
I'm not sure if you can do that with the free version. Therefore some of our concept albums may
end out sounding more like Alan Parsons Project records with "guest" vocalists.

There's always Fiver too, you know.

Also, adding this:

Techniques for Specific Vocal Types in Suno - proven methods to target voice characteristics.
Experiment in Custom Mode for full control.

1. Specify Gender and Range:
   • Basic: "male vocals" or "female singer."
   • Advanced: Use vocal ranges for nuance—soprano (high female), alto (mid female), tenor (high male), baritone/bass (low male).
   • Example Style Prompt: "Female mezzo-soprano, breathy and intimate, indie folk."
   • In Lyrics: [Chorus: Baritone male, gravelly] Your chorus lyrics here.
2. Add Tone and Texture:
   • Descriptors like "gritty," "smooth," "nasal," or "whispered" shape delivery.
   • For Effects: Add "auto-tuned," "reverbed," or "harmonized" sparingly.
   • Example: To get a "deep, smoky lounge voice" for jazz: "Velvety bass male, smoky timbre, Frank Sinatra style."
3. Incorporate Genre and Artist References:
   • Tie to genres: "Punk rock, raw screamed female vocals" for aggression.
   • Artist Inspo: "Like Adele's powerhouse belts" or "Drake's laid-back mumble-rap."
   • Pro Tip: Suno responds well to 70s/80s icons for vintage tones (e.g., "David Bowie theatrical tenor")

In regards to a small taste of the unbridled POWER available to you... spend TEN minutes browsing this

WHEEL OF MADNESS

Sounds like a lot of work.