2016 Gibson 50's Tribute Les Paul Gold Top - First Report:

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Yesterday was Natalie's 13th birthday, so we were kind of busy with that, but Natalie was kind enough to give me the time to make the 47 mile (one way) trip to the Gibson Showroom in Beverly Hills to pick up the new Gold Top.

The Beverly Hills Showroom is not a repair facility, it was just a meet-up location with my Artist Relations Rep, so I just grabbed the Gold Top and ran so to speak. I did stop long enough to take a photo of the "Gibson Throne," but other than that, it was hustle back to officiate at Natalie's birthday bash, which ran well past midnight.

If you ever have a chance to visit this place, do it. There is always something going on, live performances, clinics, photo shoots, you name it. They also have an incredible collection of guitars there. While some are on display only, many are for sale. The staff there are really welcoming and the folks in Gibson Artist Relations are simply awesome. Thanks to all at Gibson Beverly Hills for a great experience.

No visit would be complete with a photo of the "Gibson Throne" made from Gibson Guitars:

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So, first impressions....

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(Pic of the Goldtop on the builder's bench included with the guitar's paperwork)

The finish is very, very good and very evenly applied. The basic construction is really good. The fretboard's union with the neck is seamless. The grain on the back of the neck is pretty heavy. It kind of looks like a very old and weathered piece of wood was used for the neck, but it's well covered by the "dark back" finish, which is not at all sticky and is actually very slick feeling, but definitely not a urethane, so we will have to see how it wears.

The guitar comes with a very plush Gibson bag. I prefer Gator cases and already had one in stock for Mom's LPC replica, so I took this along to ensure safe transport.

Ok....setup and playability...

The action was super high as received with excessive relief. To me, it seems as though the truss rod was backed off for shipment. My AR guy found this guitar at a Gibson retailer in NYC and had it shipped out to me, so it spent some time "on the road" so to speak.

I took measurements of the action, unfretted at the 12th fret as I received it:

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Treble side was around .070" @ the 12th unfretted and tuned to pitch.

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Bass side was around .090" at the 12th unfretted and tuned to pitch.

The tailpiece was fairly high as received. Here is a pic:

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I did not attempt an intonation check because the high action would obviously result in all fretted notes being pulled sharp. However, The saddles on the Nashville bridge were in fairly good alignment and way more even than the $4,799 LPC I recently tested at Guitar Sinner.

I started by applying orange oil (on hand) to the very dry fretboard and adjusting the truss rod to achieve around .008" to .010" relief:


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Once I had the correct relief, I started addressing the still very high action. My method is simple. I adjust action down to .050" on both sides, and then drop from there by playing open chards and then fretting every string, 4 notes at a time, all the way up the neck. I stop when all notes ring true with no buzz.

Here is what I ended up with after all adjustments were completed:

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Bass side after adjustment - Note the rough appearance of the fretboard:

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Treble side after adjustment:

Here is a side shot of the bridge/tailpiece after the action was set - almost on the deck, I like the string feel here, so I opted to use the Faber washers to lock the tailpiece studs down against the bushings (not yet installed):

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Next I made adjustments to the pickup height. Gibson specs (for modern humbuckers) are 1.6mm bridge and 2.4mm neck. I just round these numbers off to make the measurement easy to read on my inch scale Luthier tool - I set the bridge to .075" and the neck pole pieces to .100", even on both sides.

Next, I checked intonation and was surprised to find it was almost dead-on. Only the low E and B strings needed a slight compensation, less than a full turn:

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I tend to clamp down really hard when playing - Its a habit I guess - so I set my intonation ever-so-slightly flat so I pull notes into pitch when playing. I guess you could call it "Hillbilly" temperament... :-)

So, that wraps up setup and critique for now.

More to follow!!!!
 
Playing...

The guitar plays really nice and sounds good too...but again I am plagued by the same noise I encountered in my 2016 Gibson SG - a noise that persisted through different amplifiers, different studios, different cables, yet is not present in any other guitar that I own. This is two Gibson's in a row and (4) sets of genuine Gibson pickups that react in exactly the same way...

This 2016 Gold Top behaves EXACTLY as my 2016 Gibson SG did - constant buzzing, even though ground has been verified and DRAMATIC buzzing if you should actually touch the bridge pickup...

So, I sit here in utter amazement, but not in a good way!!!!
 
Playing...

The guitar plays really nice and sounds good too...but again I am plagued by the same noise I encountered in my 2016 Gibson SG - a noise that persisted through different amplifiers, different studios, different cables, yet is not present in any other guitar that I own. This is two Gibson's in a row and (4) sets of genuine Gibson pickups that react in exactly the same way...

This 2016 Gold Top behaves EXACTLY as my 2016 Gibson SG did - constant buzzing, even though ground has been verified and DRAMATIC buzzing if you should actually touch the bridge pickup...

So, I sit here in utter amazement, but not in a good way!!!!
Since you've essentially started a thread with this post I'll copy and paste my reply to this one too:

Did you test the guitar before you left the store with it?
I know you're a very detail oriented customer, so if I were you, I would never leave a store with an untested guitar. Period. If I were you, I would tote my amp, and pedals along to any store that I was seriously auditioning any guitar to purchase.
Better to drive home only out gas money.
 
Since you've essentially started a thread with this post I'll copy and paste my reply to this one too:

Did you test the guitar before you left the store with it?
I know you're a very detail oriented customer, so if I were you, I would never leave a store with an untested guitar. Period. If I were you, I would tote my amp, and pedals along to any store that I was seriously auditioning any guitar to purchase.
Better to drive home only out gas money.

No, I was on a tight schedule, but it's cool...really...it's a fully warrantied deal. It's a little crazy to experience the identical problem between two brand new Gibson's and 4 sets of new Gibson pickups...
 
No, I was on a tight schedule, but it's cool...really...it's a fully warrantied deal. It's a little crazy to experience the identical problem between two brand new Gibson's and 4 sets of new Gibson pickups...
Agreed. I am disappointed for you. It makes me sad that you are clearly experiencing difficulties.
I notice that the pickups in the Les Paul are uncovered, and I believe that your original SG sets were also uncovered. After watching your video I noticed that you omitted mentioning the shielding job you did on the SG along with the other mods.
I also noticed that you have a ceiling fan on while filming. Does that fan have a variable speed control, like a dimmer switch? Are there any dimmer switches in the house?
I ask because dimmer switches can and do cause excessive RF noise even when inactive in a household electrical system. I installed one soon after I purchased my home in the living room for a ceiling fan/light. My noise floor in the studio, on a different floor of the house, with its own star grounded separate breakers, rose by 8db. I was tearing my hair out at first, because I didn't know that even when I'm not using the dimmer switch(it's powered off) it was still causing a hum similar to what I heard in your video. I sincerely hope/doubt that you have an issue like that going on, but if I don't ask...
 
Agreed. I am disappointed for you. It makes me sad that you are clearly experiencing difficulties.
I notice that the pickups in the Les Paul are uncovered, and I believe that your original SG sets were also uncovered. After watching your video I noticed that you omitted mentioning the shielding job you did on the SG along with the other mods.
I also noticed that you have a ceiling fan on while filming. Does that fan have a variable speed control, like a dimmer switch? Are there any dimmer switches in the house?
I ask because dimmer switches can and do cause excessive RF noise even when inactive in a household electrical system. I installed one soon after I purchased my home in the living room for a ceiling fan/light. My noise floor in the studio, on a different floor of the house, with its own star grounded separate breakers, rose by 8db. I was tearing my hair out at first, because I didn't know that even when I'm not using the dimmer switch(it's powered off) it was still causing a hum similar to what I heard in your video. I sincerely hope/doubt that you have an issue like that going on, but if I don't ask...

I agree with your observation. Just to be sure, I ran the guitar over to my friend's studio and it behaved exactly as it does here in my room.

I also mentioned that all the Gibson stuff had been removed from the SG, although I don't recall if I mentioned the shielding job that I did.

So, is the issue here that when you buy a new Gibson, you need to figure in a new wiring harness and new pickups???

Can you imagine playing on a recording with that type of noise????
 
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YOull get it sorted.....if the neck plays the way you like it---and you like ALL other aspects of it--- get the tech to make it right and ROCK on

Or just make it a 2fer when you send it to me with the SG ;)
 
YOull get it sorted.....if the neck plays the way you like it---and you like ALL other aspects of it--- get the tech to make it right and ROCK on

Or just make it a 2fer when you send it to me with the SG ;)

LOL!!!! The Pusher Man!!!!

Well...I was really happy with my Les Paul Custom Replica, but Mom was so excited about it, wanting to borrow it, play it at church, etc., that I couldn't help but give it to her. I was really jazzed to get this 'fat neck' Les Paul Tribute too... :-)

I will wait to see what Gibson warranty has to say about it...
 
Not being rude or cruel in my intentions by any means, but I harboured a feeling that you were building yourself up for a letdown with this new Gibson. Personally, I'm not surprised yet I am sorry for the disappointment you're going through right now. I wished it would have been all you expected it to be.
 
Not being rude or cruel in my intentions by any means, but I harboured a feeling that you were building yourself up for a letdown with this new Gibson. Personally, I'm not surprised yet I am sorry for the disappointment you're going through right now. I wished it would have been all you expected it to be.

Thanks, Man....actually, I'm not upset as I have another dependable, quiet guitar.

I don't feel I expected anything more from this Gibson than the Affinty Stratocaster we bought for our daughter....I only expected quiet electronics and good setup. I didn't even complain about the need for full setup, but the noise makes it unusable for me in a recording environment.

Having said all that, it really is a nice guitar otherwise.

I'm in no rush to make a decision now. We are going to let Gibson have a peek and see what they are willing to do about it, then go from there.

I also have a brand new Suhr Doug Aldrich set that I got on a AR discount, so I might try those with the Molex connectors and plug them right into the Gibson PCB, depending on what Gibby does...
 
I must say Robert, this is disappointing. It's hard to believe that this guitar has the same issue as the SG. If so, maybe you should consider looking at a different brand guitar.
 
I must say Robert, this is disappointing. It's hard to believe that this guitar has the same issue as the SG. If so, maybe you should consider looking at a different brand guitar.

LOL!!!! That's what my wife said... :)

Actually, it has the same issues as my new 2003 and 2016 SG's did...and Mr. Grumpy reports his SG also exhibits the same type of noise....and I found many Google hits and You Tube videos on brand new Gibson's buzzing and humming, just like mine. Now, you will encounter some folks, like The Colonel and Biddlin, who have had good fortune with their Gibson pickups, and, perhaps in their case, their pickups were indeed forgred by the hammer of the Gods, but Gibson pickups have really disappointed me, not just with noise, but tone as well.

I also have a very discerning ear and since I spend most of my time in a studio, I have to be concerned about quiet signal, feedback, EFI/EMI issues and sound quality. A lot of guys, who play live a great deal of the time, may not find the noise to be an issue for them. It's easier to hide the noise in a live performance situation. me, on the other hand, strive for studio quality tone even live. Plus, when I am playing guitar, it's usually at very high gain and volume. Even when I do a Rory Gallagher cover, it's usually with the gain flat out.

The basic guitar is nice. Very well made. And with the performing artist's discount, I paid well below retail for it. Bottom line is, or as it would seem in many instances, when you buy a brand new Gibson, be prepared to change out the electronics....
 
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Busy day! Had a recording job earlier today, followed by hedge trimming and a haircut. Got an early and unexpected Father's day gift, and now time to sit down and commence work on Mom's LPC Replica....
 
Busy day! Had a recording job earlier today, followed by hedge trimming and a haircut. Got an early and unexpected Father's day gift, and now time to sit down and commence work on Mom's LPC Replica....

Finally finished Mom's Les Paul Custom Replica....that turned out great and this is the most excitement I've heard in her voice in a long time!!!

Ok...back on track in this thread....I played the poop outta the Gold Top last night...buzzing and all. Threw on some backing tracks and wore the hide off my fingers....the guitar has potential.

The noise is horrific. But there is something in the tone that I like....its almost an overtone???? A nuance???
 
So has the neck relief and bridge been adjusted or you just letting it settle in awhile ?
 
So has the neck relief and bridge been adjusted or you just letting it settle in awhile ?

The Gold Top???

Yes, I set the relief...let it sit a day or two, then finished up around .006" - .008" same as Mom's Les Paul Custom Replica...
 
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