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Tony M. said:
You're gonna need a bigger room soon.
Either that or let it all spill out into the rest of the house.
Works for me.
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It does not work for the misses. I still I have not told her about the guitar I bought last night. Yikes!!!
 
gball said:
I solved this problem by getting amps that simply don't need a pedal to go balls-out. I flipped dirt boxes for 30 years but nothing at any price compares to a good tube amp with it's own ample grit for responsiveness and quality of tone. IMO of course. And I do still use a clean boost in front of the amps to give them a kick in the stones.
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Absolutely
 
RVA said:
It does not work for the misses. I still I have not told her about the guitar I bought last night. Yikes!!!
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LOL! Like my new double neck project. She has been cool with the Von Herndon Tele project guitars, in general, because they don't hang around the house for very long...
 
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That's my approach, too. I do use a Tubescreamer to put a little hair on the clean channel if I'm looking for something between clean and the distortion of my high gain channel. Plus, I'll use the Tubescreamer to saturate the high gain channel a little more, if necessary. Though, usually when using full-on distortion, I just use the high gain channel.

So, I essentially end up with four different gain structures: Clean, Clean plus Tubescreamer, Distortion, and Distortion plus Tubescreamer. But, the essential nature of the distortion comes from the amp, itself.

The constant hunt for distortion pedals got a little old.
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I seldom use my "green" channel. I usually run about 1/2 gain on my DSL40C with my current band, but what I have found is my signature tone is only possible at very high volume.
 
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RVA said:
Be careful with those ear drums Robert
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Funny, the band members have all commented on how loud the SG is but doesn't bother their ears....I think one of the keys is to have good tonal quality and a speaker rated way about what the amp is capable of putting out. That DSL40C cannot ever overpower that 90 watt Creamback....
 
Preamp tube distortion is no better than pedal distortion imho. It is the dynamics of cooking power amp tubes that gives tube amps their magic. And it is not distortion that makes them so great, simply the dynamics of lots of juice going through them (which pretty much means volume). Again, imho. Different things work for different tastes.

What does sometimes work for me is way too much distortion with the pickup volumes only on 2 or 3. That removes the drive of the pickup output but leaves the sustain and dynamics of the overdrives.

I love stacking the right pedals into a clean low volume amp. My Champ or my Champion 600, barely on, with a couple of pedals (TS > Maestro Fuzz or Maestro Fuzz > Zvex Distortron), stacked, is as close to playing a plexi on "10" as I have gotten at low volumes. If you really want to have some fun, put the pedal volumes on "10". Then use your guitar volumes to clean up and control things. Just like an old plexi on "10". You can set the clean small amp to have almost no volume when you have the pedal volumes on "10". Demanding and slightly difficult to control, but rewarding if you try it. I like things slightly out of control. A lot of people expect to get classic tones with everything being well behaved and in control. But most of those classic tones were not achieved by being well behaved and in control.

Tip: you can keep the drive and tones set low if you run the volumes on "10". Pedals like my Maestro or a Fuzz Face can have the fuzz drives on "10" also, but don't necessarily need to be. This is how Jimi got his "tone" BTW. Pedals set way louder than the unity volumes so many tend to use. Leave the pedal on all the time, use guitar volume to control.

JMHO YMMV. ;)
 
FWIW-Tracii Guns runs his entire pedal train the the FX loop on any amp with a loop. He doesn't even plug into the front of the amp.

Notice no cable into the input of the amps

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mdubya said:
FWIW-Tracii Guns runs his entire pedal train the the FX loop on any amp with a loop. He doesn't even plug into the front of the amp.

Notice no cable into the input of the amps

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I'm not smart enough to change what i been doing for years....Gee whiz, fellows, I've never used my effects loop....seriously.
 
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Robert Herndon said:
I'm not smart enough to change what i been doing for years....Gee whiz, fellows, I've never used my effects loop....seriously.
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Robert, I can relate! :yesway:

I do what I do, for the most part.

I am not a fan of multi channel amps or effects loops. Give me a simple amp and I will work the rest out. Love my 2204, love my Champ. I have never used more than 2 or 3 pedals at any time, but I make them work. No reverb, no loop, no 2nd channel.

I have become a fan of Fender-y reverb and trem/vibe in my old age though. I am softening around the edges. P:lol:

I would trade my wah for a Roto Vibe. And I have a vintage reverb tank. I would be open to a DRRI, too (yeah, more than 1 channel, I know, I know).
 
mdubya said:
Robert, I can relate! :yesway:

I do what I do, for the most part.

I am not a fan of multi channel amps or effects loops. Give me a simple amp and I will work the rest out. Love my 2204, love my Champ. I have never used more than 2 or 3 pedals at any time, but I make them work. No reverb, no loop, no 2nd channel.

I have become a fan of Fender-y reverb and trem/vibe in my old age though. I am softening around the edges. P:lol:

I would trade my wah for a Roto Vibe. And I have a vintage reverb tank. I would be open to a DRRI, too (yeah, more than 1 channel, I know, I know).
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So, out of curiosity, what would be the main advantage of running evrything through the loop????

For example, on my DSL40C, I use a CS3/GE-7/DD-3 & NS-2 in that order. I've always ran themin that order because they are quieter in that order and it makes sense for the NS-2 to be at the end of the signal chain.

How should I be doing this????
 
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Most of the time, I don't even run any effects, as in this short video of the SG straight into my DSL40C - These are the GFS Classic II's through a 50's style Tone Man wire harness:


However, in this band, I have found the leads sound a lot better wit the CS-3/GE-7/DD-3 all running together at the same time....
 
Robert Herndon said:
So, out of curiosity, what would be the main advantage of running evrything through the loop????

For example, on my DSL40C, I use a CS3/GE-7/DD-3 & NS-2 in that order. I've always ran themin that order because they are quieter in that order and it makes sense for the NS-2 to be at the end of the signal chain.

How should I be doing this????
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He's bypassing the preamp and only using the power amp. He's not running the preamp-out into anything, just running the pedalboard directly into the power section. I've tried it just to find out and it's definitely different, but I would not use that method for my main sound. But, I also fall into the category that I personally find that a well-designed cascading-gain tube preamp is a much better-sounding and rewarding tone generator than any pedal. I also prefer high-gain, channel-switching amps so the relative importance of the power amp is diminished a bit.
 
gball said:
He's bypassing the preamp and only using the power amp. He's not running the preamp-out into anything, just running the pedalboard directly into the power section. I've tried it just to find out and it's definitely different, but I would not use that method for my main sound. But, I also fall into the category that I personally find that a well-designed cascading-gain tube preamp is a much better-sounding and rewarding tone generator than any pedal. I also prefer high-gain, channel-switching amps so the relative importance of the power amp is diminished a bit.
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Agreed.
 
Robert Herndon said:
So, out of curiosity, what would be the main advantage of running evrything through the loop????

For example, on my DSL40C, I use a CS3/GE-7/DD-3 & NS-2 in that order. I've always ran themin that order because they are quieter in that order and it makes sense for the NS-2 to be at the end of the signal chain.

How should I be doing this????
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Perhaps you could try placing your CS3&GE7 in the loop of your NS2. Then put your DD3 in the Marshall effects loop.
 
Ns2 send jack cable to input of cs3. Output of cs3 cable to input of ge7. Output of ge7 cable to return jack on ns2. Guitar instrument cable to input jack on ns2. Output jack of ns2 cable to amplifier input jack.

Ns2 set:
Mode-reduction
Decay- around 11 o'clock
Threshold- around 1 o'clock
Tune decay and threshold to taste.
For example- my decay is set around 10:30. My threshold is set around 2:30. I have dirtboxes in my loop.

Effects loop send of Marshall cable to input of dd3. Output of dd3 cable to Marshall return jack.
 
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