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Robert Herndon said:
So, out of curiosity, what would be the main advantage of running evrything through the loop????

For example, on my DSL40C, I use a CS3/GE-7/DD-3 & NS-2 in that order. I've always ran themin that order because they are quieter in that order and it makes sense for the NS-2 to be at the end of the signal chain.

How should I be doing this????
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gball said:
He's bypassing the preamp and only using the power amp. He's not running the preamp-out into anything, just running the pedalboard directly into the power section. I've tried it just to find out and it's definitely different, but I would not use that method for my main sound. But, I also fall into the category that I personally find that a well-designed cascading-gain tube preamp is a much better-sounding and rewarding tone generator than any pedal. I also prefer high-gain, channel-switching amps so the relative importance of the power amp is diminished a bit.
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What gball said. It allows him to get his main sound from his pedal chain (I am pretty sure he runs some sort of plexi style pedal as his "amp" sound). It allows him to control the volume while getting a consistent tone.

I think it was to allow him to simply require an M-style amp with an FX loop for gigs, eliminating the need to haul a bunch of amps around the country.

He was posting a lot of photos on Instagram of their gigs, but he was never (didn't appear to be) plugged into the amps. People wanted to know why. I found it interesting.

I think you could get away with something like a Fryette Power Station power amp into your favorite speaker setup, run the pedals in the Power Station loop, and you could just dial the volume of the PS up or down to virtually any usable volume.

I am just throwing ideas out there for low volume stuff. I have no interest in playing much above TV volume at home. But I would like to still have some fun like I used to when I could handle the volume. Between modeling and pedals, I can have some pretty good cheap thrills.
 
mdubya said:
What gball said. It allows him to get his main sound from his pedal chain (I am pretty sure he runs some sort of plexi style pedal as his "amp" sound). It allows him to control the volume while getting a consistent tone.

I think it was to allow him to simply require an M-style amp with an FX loop for gigs, eliminating the need to haul a bunch of amps around the country.

He was posting a lot of photos on Instagram of their gigs, but he was never (didn't appear to be) plugged into the amps. People wanted to know why. I found it interesting.

I think you could get away with something like a Fryette Power Station power amp into your favorite speaker setup, run the pedals in the Power Station loop, and you could just dial the volume of the PS up or down to virtually any usable volume.

I am just throwing ideas out there for low volume stuff. I have no interest in playing much above TV volume at home. But I would like to still have some fun like I used to when I could handle the volume. Between modeling and pedals, I can have some pretty good cheap thrills.
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I also noticed he wasn't mic'ing the top cabinet either. When I was running two SLP's, I mic'd all 4 cabinets....
 
Thatbastarddon said:
Ns2 send jack cable to input of cs3. Output of cs3 cable to input of ge7. Output of ge7 cable to return jack on ns2. Guitar instrument cable to input jack on ns2. Output jack of ns2 cable to amplifier input jack.

Ns2 set:
Mode-reduction
Decay- around 11 o'clock
Threshold- around 1 o'clock
Tune decay and threshold to taste.
For example- my decay is set around 10:30. My threshold is set around 2:30. I have dirtboxes in my loop.

Effects loop send of Marshall cable to input of dd3. Output of dd3 cable to Marshall return jack.
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Thank you, Don. I am going to wire up like this for our Saturday rehearsal and check it out!!!!
 
Tony M. said:
I don't really have a "signature tone".
I make what I play compliment the song.
The song is the thing, not my guitar in it,
but that's just me.
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True, true...for example, when we do "I Shall Be Released" by Joe Cocker, I duplicate the intro, so it engages the listener, but then I abandon that tone and revert back to just sounding like me. It's kind of like this....the way I have the rig setup, I am right on the edge of feedback. If I don't shorten the notes, they would never stop and I can play without picking and the notes sound picked. I often turn the guitar down to "blend" in with the other instruments, but for leads, it's very full sounding. It may not be a great tone, but it's me... :-)
 
jtcnj said:
^^^+1
thats the way I have read it too.
i may add one to one of my amps but it is way down on the Gear To Do List.
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My 18 watt home brew super lite TMB doesn't have a loop. It's not a very gainey amp either. I use it as a clean(ish) amp, and get dirt from pedals. So...putting a delay after the dirtboxes has been close enough for me.
 
Ya I do the typical modulation at the end of the chain thing right now as well.
Still need to build a combo cab for my 18w build.
I have something a little off beat in mind (off beat = music pun).
If you are dyslexic, please read it twice.
But after the Samantha Fish pics, I was thinking that too.
 
Thatbastarddon said:
My 18 watt home brew super lite TMB doesn't have a loop. It's not a very gainey amp either. I use it as a clean(ish) amp, and get dirt from pedals. So...putting a delay after the dirtboxes has been close enough for me.
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With the SG, which has the GFS Alnico II's (7.93k/7.88k) at full gain, the DSL40C has a very classic rock tone. But, if I plug my EMG equipped Schecter into the same setup, instant Death Metal. Never saw pickups make this big a difference....
 
Robert Herndon said:
With the SG, which has the GFS Alnico II's (7.93k/7.88k) at full gain, the DSL40C has a very classic rock tone. But, if I plug my EMG equipped Schecter into the same setup, instant Death Metal. Never saw pickups make this big a difference....
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With one set rated at ~twice the output of the other, I'm not surprised at the difference.
That's what that gain knob...or a tube screamer....is for.
To each their own.
I'm lucky enough to be able to deal with such without too much fuss. Turn the knobby bits 'till it sounds ok.
 
Thatbastarddon said:
With one set rated at ~twice the output of the other, I'm not surprised at the difference.
That's what that gain knob...or a tube screamer....is for.
To each their own.
I'm lucky enough to be able to deal with such without too much fuss. Turn the knobby bits 'till it sounds ok.
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The EMG's are no joke....and no complaints either. It was just an observation. The EMG's really seem infinitely adjustable, whereas my PAF clones are more limited. EMG'S are way quieter too...
 
Thatbastarddon said:
My 18 watt home brew super lite TMB doesn't have a loop. It's not a very gainey amp either. I use it as a clean(ish) amp, and get dirt from pedals. So...putting a delay after the dirtboxes has been close enough for me.
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Hey, Don....

Where would the Cry Baby go in the chain?????
 
Robert Herndon said:
Hey, Don....

Where would the Cry Baby go in the chain?????
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First place I'd try it is in the ns2 loop, first in line, send from ns2 to wah, to cs3, to ge7, and back to ns2 return. If you don't like that, before the ns2- guitar cable to wah, then ns2 (with the cs3, and ge7 in the ns2 loop)then to the amp with the delay in the amp effects loop.
Wahs can be finicky about being fed by pedals that use a buffer.
I'm not in the studio right now, and can't confirm, but I'm pretty sure mine is third in line... behind a tuner I use as a mute these days, and a small stone that I like in front of my dirt boxes(I like it that way for Spirit of Radio). Then on to the NS2 with 3 dirtboxes in the loop, and off to a seldom used chorus, then a DD20 delay, and occasionally in to a ditto looper, finally off to my amp(that doesn't have a loop, and is set to my fairly clean sound)
I don't use my wah too much(IMO), just here and there.

Babble babble babble...
 
Oh shoot! Strike that above placement!
I don't use compression on my guitar rig anymore...sooo...wah after compression...pretty much always...either in the ns2 loop, or after the ns2.
That's my answer.
 
smitty_p said:
I have my wah as the first pedal the guitar hits. From there it goes to the Tubescreamer, and then to the amp. All my other effects are in the amp FX Loop.
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Agreed. I don't use the wah, and the small stone phaser together, pretty much ever. They are both occasional effects. Their placement relative to each other, in my chain, are purely based on physical convenience. I like both first in line when in use too.
I have had a couple of compressor pedals over the years, and I remember them "strangling" the life out of a wah, if the wah was in front of it.
I gave up using compression pedals in the 90s though, so it's been a long time.
 
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Thatbastarddon said:
@RVA

Sorry for the thread-jack.
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Don't be silly. Sidetracks are sort of forum culture around here. Anyway, I have a renewed interest in my wah. Now that I am able to leave my hands on autopilot a lot more, integrating the wah has become interesting . I am enjpying the advice.

In fact, why do you use a wah after compression?
 
Compression pedals are dynamics crushers by design. I guess a reasonable analogy might be something like funneling a sloshing bucket. You feed waves of liquid in to the funnel, and a steady stream exits. The threshold, and ratio, of a compressor are kind of like a control over the size, and taper, of the small end of the funnel.
If you run a wah through that funnel it will not sound as dynamic.
I suck at explaining this stuff.
 
Thatbastarddon said:
Compression pedals are dynamics crushers by design. I guess a reasonable analogy might be something like funneling a sloshing bucket. You feed waves of liquid in to the funnel, and a steady stream exits. The threshold, and ratio, of a compressor are kind of like a control over the size, and taper, of the small end of the funnel.
If you run a wah through that funnel it will not sound as dynamic.
I suck at explaining this stuff.
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I get it. It will clip the top and bottom end of the range you are attempting to create with the wah. Thanks! Now to check my board!
 
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