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AI generated "Music"
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ibmorjamn
Ambassador of Moar Jammin
That is an accurate description , the problem for me doing a record and the reason I will use Suno it is my voice is not usable for singing . The first song I came up with this week and completely wrote lyrics for I put in Suno and the melody fits the song. It is such a very basic chord structure it reminds of the junk I have written. It’s not much of a stretch. I will play guitar and bass instruments.@kerry. It's NOT a competition in any way shape of form except against yourself.
NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT. NO. It's NOT
You are only competing in tackling what is a monstrous personal project to see if you can do it.
I wonder if any of us will be able to see it through, even WITH AI.
@Kerry Brown listen, tell me this lacks soul
If I had a dedicated vocalist AI would be out.
There are to many things to do.
The rest of the material I will right and just pull vocals.
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BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
MIX SHEET Phase 1) It has begun, set up my work flow, will def do a tracking sheet on next song but this one is captured in Reaper already. Phase 1 of mix has begun.
Think will do a thread on it and enjoy maybe one of the last full blown efforts as the Album that is trapped inside that needs to come out unfolds. But given the mix & master my songs never got but in the paying studios.. Docu it all and see what it sounds like next spring as a cohesive batch.
Rearranging recording area but waiting on some gear. What is cool, nothing is expensive from ,monitors, headphones, DAW,mic's, pre amp, usb interface, guitars, cabs, 2204 wasn't cheap tho. Watching Motown engineers last few weeks and ABBY Road & guys that recorded on the old stuff then went Reaper - Pro tools. I learned what the compressors, EQ, mic placement & type to use where, actually did & how they set the "player" up as the "feature" of the recording. The gear is simply a means to filter a signal through yourself. Pick your tonal lane and gain structure and be you. It's why i sound like me on your gear and you sound like you on my gear !
Think will do a thread on it and enjoy maybe one of the last full blown efforts as the Album that is trapped inside that needs to come out unfolds. But given the mix & master my songs never got but in the paying studios.. Docu it all and see what it sounds like next spring as a cohesive batch.
Rearranging recording area but waiting on some gear. What is cool, nothing is expensive from ,monitors, headphones, DAW,mic's, pre amp, usb interface, guitars, cabs, 2204 wasn't cheap tho. Watching Motown engineers last few weeks and ABBY Road & guys that recorded on the old stuff then went Reaper - Pro tools. I learned what the compressors, EQ, mic placement & type to use where, actually did & how they set the "player" up as the "feature" of the recording. The gear is simply a means to filter a signal through yourself. Pick your tonal lane and gain structure and be you. It's why i sound like me on your gear and you sound like you on my gear !
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BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
Added notes to the process now. Tips from those old engineers are priceless !! Capture right, eq right, gain stage right, it almost mixes itself. Less of the down the line correction needed, i can hear this already.
This just opened up a whole new aspect of this music thing to me. Really enjoy this BUT it made me respect what tracking right all these years , how much it is the fundamental most important part of it !! Tracked vocals right for the first time ever, huge dif , like is it even me lol
This just opened up a whole new aspect of this music thing to me. Really enjoy this BUT it made me respect what tracking right all these years , how much it is the fundamental most important part of it !! Tracked vocals right for the first time ever, huge dif , like is it even me lol
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BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
I won't say a word, sorta, but ye that major in Eschatology for a hobby & passion & outreach ... i know the how & why the way the story ends .... his story , so to say.... that is a gentle video actually... bring it brother...
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
mcblink
Ambassador of Riffs & Spliffs
I like this video, and glad that someone is finally talking about Rick's methods. Too bad the guy seems to know little about it.
First off the word "occult" simply means "to hide". I'm not entirely sure where along the way that we decided that it must have something to do with dark rituals, magick, and spirits and witchcraft, but that's not necessarily what that is. Sure, gnostics, thelemites, rosicrucians, hermetics, merkabah mystics, etc, may be considered occult, but only because they're kept out of public eye, but the word they're actually usually looking for is "mysticism" or "esotericism". The freemasons and shriners are also occult, by definition. The skull and bones society is occult. When we have a solar eclipse, the moon occults the sun. Alchemy, the predecessor to chemistry and science, was occult.
My point is, just because we hear the word "occult" doesn't mean it's spiritual, evil, bad, or anything resembling what we tend to imagine when we hear that word. Sure, there are some of those factions out there. But you've never heard of them. That's why they're occult. They're literally hidden.
Rick Rubin is well known to have some esoteric practices (at least to the western mind), but that doesn't mean he's hanging around the recording studio wearing a black robe, sitting cross-legged inside a pentacle made of salt and surrounded by candles while he chants and conjures a dark spirit that he can then sell a soul to in order to get a song on the charts. It just means that he has some lesser known (hidden) philosophies, most of which stem from his studying Buddhism (which normally isn't looked at as "occult"). Obviously some of his methods seem to work well for some of the artists he works with.
When we think of Buddhists we don't automatically jump to the conclusion that they're all witches practicing evil black magick, do we?
That's what the word "occult" makes us do, even though by definition, there isn't any reason for it.
There are some major misconceptions regarding "occult" stuff. You're right: that guy was a bit wonky (or intentionally sensationalizing for views)
First off the word "occult" simply means "to hide". I'm not entirely sure where along the way that we decided that it must have something to do with dark rituals, magick, and spirits and witchcraft, but that's not necessarily what that is. Sure, gnostics, thelemites, rosicrucians, hermetics, merkabah mystics, etc, may be considered occult, but only because they're kept out of public eye, but the word they're actually usually looking for is "mysticism" or "esotericism". The freemasons and shriners are also occult, by definition. The skull and bones society is occult. When we have a solar eclipse, the moon occults the sun. Alchemy, the predecessor to chemistry and science, was occult.
My point is, just because we hear the word "occult" doesn't mean it's spiritual, evil, bad, or anything resembling what we tend to imagine when we hear that word. Sure, there are some of those factions out there. But you've never heard of them. That's why they're occult. They're literally hidden.
Rick Rubin is well known to have some esoteric practices (at least to the western mind), but that doesn't mean he's hanging around the recording studio wearing a black robe, sitting cross-legged inside a pentacle made of salt and surrounded by candles while he chants and conjures a dark spirit that he can then sell a soul to in order to get a song on the charts. It just means that he has some lesser known (hidden) philosophies, most of which stem from his studying Buddhism (which normally isn't looked at as "occult"). Obviously some of his methods seem to work well for some of the artists he works with.
When we think of Buddhists we don't automatically jump to the conclusion that they're all witches practicing evil black magick, do we?
That's what the word "occult" makes us do, even though by definition, there isn't any reason for it.
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TVvoodoo
Ambassador of The Comfortably Slung
@BFT Gibson I'm not sure why you are posting your studio process in this thread. Honestly, I believe it deserves it very own and could be helpful to many here - suggest you do that, because I hope you post more, just doesn't really fit in this topic too well.
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
What did i post here, The AI thread actually challenged me to do the opposite, I am going to do a new thread and get out of the way and i just did the set up post for it here. This type thread motivates, i chose to go at the AI. In a way, you a getting a real life, hands on comparison of the AI experiment vs someone running along side not doing AI, but attempting to achieve the exact same result ! Musical satisfaction !
One better than other, NO, what is best for me is best for me and best for you is best for you. i might jump in threads like anyone is able to, but i wont suggest anything to anyone. Free Will, it a beautiful thing ! Also, the AI talk is very valid as life changes before our eyes again. (Wow has my biz been affected by it pretty hard) ! On a way more important level than making music as our future is shaped whether we like it or not
if you really "think" on it. i gave another reason why people might use even use AI by posting a few simple posts. Look at all the work that i will have to do, for you AI guys, can hit a button and have a song. You are pushing AI & I am countering with the other way. We shall all get to hear the results, learn & hopefully have a friendly ' competitive spirit along the way with the goal of everybody making music !
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
Very valid point on the word occult ! Hidden
What is wild, from studying quite a bit. The Aramaic & Hebrew words around the theme of modern day word 'occult" , tend to lean toward, what isn't humanly understood or not to be humanly used. You can bring in things like, the Nephilim, Watchers whatever you want to call them. The spiritual beings that passed on forbidden knowledge to humans that no way had the capacity to know on their own at that point. It points out the possibility that the 'tech" has been known since day 1. As knowledge no human was ever intended to have.
I will say this, it was very brutal way back when & seems like tech is like sifting things out all over again but with pre programmed algorithm..but, by whom? To me, it a fascinating time to be alive and watch world events start changing at breakneck speed. Things that were the norm in our lives for the longest time... gone..changed in click of a button.
ibmorjamn
Ambassador of Moar Jammin
As soon as the guy said he was in to magic at 9 yrs. old, I’m out. That means nothing, kids at 9 are just playing.
ibmorjamn
Ambassador of Moar Jammin
I am studying Suno specifically. It’s really funny because I drop an instrumental arrangement from Suno in ChatGPT . AI vs AI and chatGPT analysis said it had a lot of transients and is very noisy. I have sort of picked most of the chords out of it. It is most basic in “B”
Here is the thing, it is making me want to do something I never did. Try to learn to sing the notes. It’s hard for me but in the future I will get it.
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
Enjoy, making music is what it is all about !
No right or wrong in art. Think it actually brought out a challenge in me was never going to do had it not come up. What can i do on my own if i actually tried for once. Like the whole process. The threads encouraged me actually. Possibly AI and being so new and affecting so much in life throws up an immediate emotional response before we even understand it all.
ibmorjamn
Ambassador of Moar Jammin
That is true, it’s hard to get around it. It is a machine. Lots of doom and gloom cast on it for good reasons. I think I will get it out of my system in a month or so.
mcblink
Ambassador of Riffs & Spliffs
Just to be clear lol
I'm not an occultist or anything, but I have long held a fascination with it and have done a fair amount of rabbit hole diving and learning, including Kabbalah and other Hebrew philosophies.
I mean sure, you CAN bring in that stuff, but that was kinda my point with my previous post. That those ideas, and adjacent ideas definitely can be considered occult, does not mean that everything "occult" refers to or means those ideas.
James wanted to remove the video because the guy started talking about occult stuff, [edit: and magic] but there wouldn't be any reason to do that if we didn't just automatically jump to the conclusion that it's too religion-adjacent to be discussed here, which it isn't and doesn't have to be.... unless we conflate the word itself and it's meaning, with belief systems.
That does sound wild I openly admit lol
But, again, it kindof depends on what we consider "magic" to be. There's a reason sometimes you see it spelled with a K. And, in some philosophies, this idea doesn't sound so crazy at all, and children specifically are more perceptive to it. The stereotypical poltergeist stories come to mind....but it doesn't necessarily mean pulling rabbits out of hats or turning staffs into serpents or conjuring spirits in this sense.
All the rambling I'm doing here really just to say that I think that YouTuber was working those angles for views. I think Rick did a podcast with maybe Rogan or somebody a while back where he talks all about his ideas.....they're not that crazy. Not like this YouTuber made it sound like, anyway.
Sargeant Preston
Ambassador of The Ninth Chord
I listened twice. Both times it sounded like a Zac Brown Band recording.
And therein lies the danger of relying too heavily upon Suno or other AI programs.
Did you write the lyrics?
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TVvoodoo
Ambassador of The Comfortably Slung
@Sargeant Preston Well, can I take that as a compliment, maybe?
Thank you for taking the time. The thing is, it's hard to even get people to CONSIDER listening.
I am not real familiar with much of ZB except that ubiquitous ice cold beer track.
I would be honored to have a fellow of his caliber take on my lyrics, indeed my own.
I ran some of a digitized old cassette recording into suno but it actually generated a better chorus, plus nicer dynamics and pacing
without asking. It added the subtle piano and fiddle as I asked. Kept the tempo much the same.
Penned that back in the early 90's - I mentioned that on the suno info - very first ok-ish song I felt I ever completed.
However, with my later life-sensibilities, when typing in the lyrics I did add the last bit about meeting someone "goin' my way."
Now, I don't know if ANY song deserve two bridges, it is what it is LOL!
I feel it's one of my better suno generations, for what it's worth. You are absolutely welcome to feel like it sucks major poo.
When I think about the many hoops I would have to jump through to otherwise be able to record something similar to that for my
wife's drive to work mix, (another project I'm working on) it completely boggles my mind.
Half an hour retyping in my lyrics adding a few, some instructions. That was I think the fourth generation... I stopped there.
Good enough. Maybe an hour tops, besides the original probably an hour and a half to write it so many years ago.
Thank you for taking the time. The thing is, it's hard to even get people to CONSIDER listening.
I am not real familiar with much of ZB except that ubiquitous ice cold beer track.
I would be honored to have a fellow of his caliber take on my lyrics, indeed my own.
I ran some of a digitized old cassette recording into suno but it actually generated a better chorus, plus nicer dynamics and pacing
without asking. It added the subtle piano and fiddle as I asked. Kept the tempo much the same.
Penned that back in the early 90's - I mentioned that on the suno info - very first ok-ish song I felt I ever completed.
However, with my later life-sensibilities, when typing in the lyrics I did add the last bit about meeting someone "goin' my way."
Now, I don't know if ANY song deserve two bridges, it is what it is LOL!
I feel it's one of my better suno generations, for what it's worth. You are absolutely welcome to feel like it sucks major poo.
When I think about the many hoops I would have to jump through to otherwise be able to record something similar to that for my
wife's drive to work mix, (another project I'm working on) it completely boggles my mind.
Half an hour retyping in my lyrics adding a few, some instructions. That was I think the fourth generation... I stopped there.
Good enough. Maybe an hour tops, besides the original probably an hour and a half to write it so many years ago.