mcblink
Ambassador of Riffs & Spliffs
I wonder how Mozart or Tchaikovsky would view today's landscape of modern pop and hip hop
AI generated "Music"
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BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
I wonder how Stevie Wonder sees it all ?
Sargeant Preston
Ambassador of The Ninth Chord
Yes. I liked it.
Indeed it was. I've listened to a few of your Suno generated tunes.
Excuse me? Why would you get the impression that I was poo poohing on your tune? I wasn't. I simply noted that the song sounded like The Zac Brown band to illustrate the point that any individual artist or bands that uses AI to produce music should be ready and willing to accept listener comments such as "Hey, you sound just like..."
I'm
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TVvoodoo
Ambassador of The Comfortably Slung
@Sargeant Preston I was just saying you were "welcome to" if you wanted. No harm, no foul. See if you can taste past HOW the hotdog was made, more HOW it tastes at that sunny ball game.
That's the thing about AI tracks, users can get SO excited about it, they feel others should to be too.
I know this is not the case. Ask my darling wife! So, I threw up my shield before you swanged your sword!
I understand how some feel it's very wrong to use and refuse to consider it. Must be they are mostly super-talented musician/ artists and wonderful technicians, or have easy access to them. Or they're technophobic, feel it's thievery, or that it suddenly renders them musically powerless, or even for environmental concerns. They've got plenty of them.
We are lucky to have such individuals with such deep convictions and high moral standards among us, and of course they need things to be righteous about.
That's the thing about AI tracks, users can get SO excited about it, they feel others should to be too.
I know this is not the case. Ask my darling wife! So, I threw up my shield before you swanged your sword!
I understand how some feel it's very wrong to use and refuse to consider it. Must be they are mostly super-talented musician/ artists and wonderful technicians, or have easy access to them. Or they're technophobic, feel it's thievery, or that it suddenly renders them musically powerless, or even for environmental concerns. They've got plenty of them.
We are lucky to have such individuals with such deep convictions and high moral standards among us, and of course they need things to be righteous about.
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I admit to having a conflicted view of AI-generated content.
I understand the logical fallacy of it, but whenever I start a Youtube video and I hear that annoying (to me), bland AI voice instead of a real human voice, I instinctively want to turn it off. The logical fallacy is that I shouldn't scorn the video merely because of the means of delivering the narrative. So, I admit to reacting a little illogically. Still, it grates me. I want to hear a human voice.
As for music, I see music as a human thing. It expresses a dimension of the human personna. Call it a "soul", if you will (I do). I have heard some AI music. I'd like to imagine that whatever the AI creation is, that it, at least, captures the human emotion that the individual who used prompts to create the product was looking for. Maybe that person can't play an instrument or sing, but maybe AI offers that individual the ability to create some music that captures what was in his heart.
I hope.
Yet, I still like to see humans make the music. I have the DVD of The Doobie Brothers Live at Wolftrap. I watch it from time to time. I am struck by just how cool it is to have those horn parts played by real human beings playing a real trumpet, trombone, or saxophone, instead of having those parts recreated on a synthesizer.
Just a couple weeks ago, I had the unique experience of playing in the pit orchestra for a play. Man, that was wild. Talk about LOTS of LONG rehearsal sessions! But, the cool thing is that every part...from my guitar to the trumpets to the piano to the cello and everything in between was played by a real person. It was very rewarding. There were a couple songs with a track (which irked me), but the vast majority were played by us.
So, the moral of the story? I'm not sure I have one. I guess, to the extent that an AI song represents the heart of a real human being who developed it, I get it...and I'm grateful that that person may have found a means of musical expression. But, I still would rather hear a real human being be a little pitchy on the vocals than I'd like to hear a computer be pitch perfect.
Maybe this isn't a perfect response, but this is one of those times I tend to think with my heart.
I understand the logical fallacy of it, but whenever I start a Youtube video and I hear that annoying (to me), bland AI voice instead of a real human voice, I instinctively want to turn it off. The logical fallacy is that I shouldn't scorn the video merely because of the means of delivering the narrative. So, I admit to reacting a little illogically. Still, it grates me. I want to hear a human voice.
As for music, I see music as a human thing. It expresses a dimension of the human personna. Call it a "soul", if you will (I do). I have heard some AI music. I'd like to imagine that whatever the AI creation is, that it, at least, captures the human emotion that the individual who used prompts to create the product was looking for. Maybe that person can't play an instrument or sing, but maybe AI offers that individual the ability to create some music that captures what was in his heart.
I hope.
Yet, I still like to see humans make the music. I have the DVD of The Doobie Brothers Live at Wolftrap. I watch it from time to time. I am struck by just how cool it is to have those horn parts played by real human beings playing a real trumpet, trombone, or saxophone, instead of having those parts recreated on a synthesizer.
Just a couple weeks ago, I had the unique experience of playing in the pit orchestra for a play. Man, that was wild. Talk about LOTS of LONG rehearsal sessions! But, the cool thing is that every part...from my guitar to the trumpets to the piano to the cello and everything in between was played by a real person. It was very rewarding. There were a couple songs with a track (which irked me), but the vast majority were played by us.
So, the moral of the story? I'm not sure I have one. I guess, to the extent that an AI song represents the heart of a real human being who developed it, I get it...and I'm grateful that that person may have found a means of musical expression. But, I still would rather hear a real human being be a little pitchy on the vocals than I'd like to hear a computer be pitch perfect.
Maybe this isn't a perfect response, but this is one of those times I tend to think with my heart.
Sargeant Preston
Ambassador of The Ninth Chord
Trust your heart.
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TVvoodoo
Ambassador of The Comfortably Slung
My time as second chair trumpet in a 60 pc. orchestra gives me near overwhelming good mems. There was nothing as satisfying to me as being in the pocket with others while playing live music.... It truly transcends.
BUT... I can say again, since I began getting serious about learning more about prompts and AI music creation better-practices, I've havent been more excited about music for a long time.
Yesterday when I should have been working on a custom strap, I resurrected a moldy oldie from my 1990's songbook, rehearsed it about six times... rewrote a couple clunky lines, printed it out played it into my phone. Half-assed performance, really.
Converted that 4 min. video to an audio online uploaded it. Ugh! Not great. Added prompts and lyrics (in brackets) for all the backup vocals and the main arrangement... adding some piano, that took about half an hour (so maybe two and a half hours prep total).
First, I set the suno controls to be somewhat true to my "performance" (it's improved over my own)...this is what I got.
(The singers say "moreeeee" because I worded it like that, ...needed to be written "moorrrrre")
Then, on a whim, I figured why not try bit of a sad-assed feeling sorry for myself grunge sort of approach to it
That was kind of cool!
Then I had an epiphany, feeling it might work even better as a melancholy contemporary jazz R&B number, so prompted it for that
That is the one I published. - This is simply to give a taste of the sort of thing that is possible, rather quickly.
Yesterday I also joined a brand new community, (one of the first three members, we discussed it a bit behind the scenes)
AI song wars community where user can entere songs are entered into a sort of battle of the songs tournament ladder.
It costs credits to enter, but you gain credits by listening and voting on other tracks pitted against each other. So, it's
basically music-making only gamified a bit. You know me, I dig that sort of thing LOL! And it likely horrifies some here.
Anyway that last Jazz/R&B track earned the first ever win on the entire site. And after 48 hours, the community is growing fast.
One thing I do see early is those who allow AI to generate lyrics for their songs (you have specify), are not scoring near as well.
That said, I fully realize how creativity and musical fulfillment is a very personal thing... for each of us in all our individual situations.
I would never stop or try to dissuade YOU from making all the music you want, any way you want to.
BUT... I can say again, since I began getting serious about learning more about prompts and AI music creation better-practices, I've havent been more excited about music for a long time.
Yesterday when I should have been working on a custom strap, I resurrected a moldy oldie from my 1990's songbook, rehearsed it about six times... rewrote a couple clunky lines, printed it out played it into my phone. Half-assed performance, really.
Converted that 4 min. video to an audio online uploaded it. Ugh! Not great. Added prompts and lyrics (in brackets) for all the backup vocals and the main arrangement... adding some piano, that took about half an hour (so maybe two and a half hours prep total).
First, I set the suno controls to be somewhat true to my "performance" (it's improved over my own)...this is what I got.
(The singers say "moreeeee" because I worded it like that, ...needed to be written "moorrrrre")
Then, on a whim, I figured why not try bit of a sad-assed feeling sorry for myself grunge sort of approach to it
That was kind of cool!
Then I had an epiphany, feeling it might work even better as a melancholy contemporary jazz R&B number, so prompted it for that
That is the one I published. - This is simply to give a taste of the sort of thing that is possible, rather quickly.
Yesterday I also joined a brand new community, (one of the first three members, we discussed it a bit behind the scenes)
AI song wars community where user can entere songs are entered into a sort of battle of the songs tournament ladder.
It costs credits to enter, but you gain credits by listening and voting on other tracks pitted against each other. So, it's
basically music-making only gamified a bit. You know me, I dig that sort of thing LOL! And it likely horrifies some here.
Anyway that last Jazz/R&B track earned the first ever win on the entire site. And after 48 hours, the community is growing fast.
One thing I do see early is those who allow AI to generate lyrics for their songs (you have specify), are not scoring near as well.
That said, I fully realize how creativity and musical fulfillment is a very personal thing... for each of us in all our individual situations.
I would never stop or try to dissuade YOU from making all the music you want, any way you want to.
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All great words. I don't dispute any of it.
But, to put it in a little different context...
Do you want to know the REAL reason I bought a guitar strap from you?
I bought it because YOU made it. YOU. A real human being whom I know and whose effort I value.
Yes, you did a wonderful job on that strap. It's gorgeous and I mention you and your company by name and recommend YOU and YOUR work every time someone asks about the guitar.
That's right. If someone asks about the guitar, I divert the conversation to the strap and talk about Well-Hung Guitar Straps.
In the end, it's the human spirit I care about. If the music is AI-generated, well, okay. I just want to know that the music represents a real human behind it.
I am sure that is the case. I don't discount that at all. I am not against AI music. I just wonder about the human element. In your case, I am sure you put yourself into it, as you do with everything you do.
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TVvoodoo
Ambassador of The Comfortably Slung
It boggles the mind. My entire life, probably many here also understand this universal rule of life:
"Garbage in = garbage out."
Now I fully admitted what I sang and played into my phone was not something to be real proud of... More like one of those quick audio sketches some here are likely familiar with. Can't help but wonder what those computer devils might have spit out if I had supplied it something of quality many here do much better than I.
"Garbage in = garbage out."
Now I fully admitted what I sang and played into my phone was not something to be real proud of... More like one of those quick audio sketches some here are likely familiar with. Can't help but wonder what those computer devils might have spit out if I had supplied it something of quality many here do much better than I.
Sargeant Preston
Ambassador of The Ninth Chord
I'm back. I have a hundred or more original songs that I recorded years ago. I would NEVER submit a single one of my songs to Suno for transformation into something other than I had originally recorded. I can't quite wrap my head around the sudden obsession that you and other people have with using Suno or other AI programs to re-write lyrics and supply artificial instrumentation.I'm
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TVvoodoo
Ambassador of The Comfortably Slung
I'm re-touching my own lyrics, @Sargeant Preston not Suno if that's not clear.
When I go over something I wrote nearly 30 years ago, some honing and pruning requirements can become obvious seen through lens of time, maturity even just plain sensibility. To improve my song.
What an amazing accomplishment to have a massive personal body of work like that recorded and in your archives? Incredible really! How is it stored? How often do you relisten?
Not knowing your background too well, were/are you a professional artist and/or did you ever try to sell one, or have one picked up?
You must also be quite pleased with the production to not wish to revisit them.
They would absolutely be valuable time capsules.
I'm doing it simply because I can!
When I go over something I wrote nearly 30 years ago, some honing and pruning requirements can become obvious seen through lens of time, maturity even just plain sensibility. To improve my song.
What an amazing accomplishment to have a massive personal body of work like that recorded and in your archives? Incredible really! How is it stored? How often do you relisten?
Not knowing your background too well, were/are you a professional artist and/or did you ever try to sell one, or have one picked up?
You must also be quite pleased with the production to not wish to revisit them.
They would absolutely be valuable time capsules.
I'm doing it simply because I can!
ibmorjamn
Ambassador of Moar Jammin
Music being played live is the last refuge for artists. The music industry turned streaming and now that is contaminated with bots stealing or siphoning money from your music. Thank god I don’t do music for a living.
I found a video by a known YouTuber named VenusTheory . It’s shocking what has happed to the music industry even not including AI creation.
I fully understand humans creating the music.
As people who love music , purity has been the norm. It has all changed now for better or worse (sounds like a familiar vow)
We can choose to resist, it is futile at this point. But I get it, the only music I really enjoy was made 40-50 years ago. That won’t change. I am not saying I wouldn’t like a new artist. The only one I really liked is Dirty Honey. There of course a lot more out there.
Starting watching this video
I found a video by a known YouTuber named VenusTheory . It’s shocking what has happed to the music industry even not including AI creation.
I fully understand humans creating the music.
As people who love music , purity has been the norm. It has all changed now for better or worse (sounds like a familiar vow)
We can choose to resist, it is futile at this point. But I get it, the only music I really enjoy was made 40-50 years ago. That won’t change. I am not saying I wouldn’t like a new artist. The only one I really liked is Dirty Honey. There of course a lot more out there.
Starting watching this video
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
There 1 thing being missed out ! We while alive, have free will choice. We can make the music we want vs consuming others and complaining over and over.
Last night our band practice was off the charts, fun, loud & creative. It left the musical satisfaction level set on high, it was real, in real time. What was the real thing maybe.. The interaction between us. How 'Strays" went from clean then crunch, then the drummer dropped down & we Allman brothered it up for like 10 minutes ! Same song, covered 3 genres & the singer just kept adding & drummer changing tempo & dynamics and we rode it out.
Music is in our hands..pun intended , no one else's. It is what you want to do..however you do .
Last night our band practice was off the charts, fun, loud & creative. It left the musical satisfaction level set on high, it was real, in real time. What was the real thing maybe.. The interaction between us. How 'Strays" went from clean then crunch, then the drummer dropped down & we Allman brothered it up for like 10 minutes ! Same song, covered 3 genres & the singer just kept adding & drummer changing tempo & dynamics and we rode it out.
Music is in our hands..pun intended , no one else's. It is what you want to do..however you do .