AI generated "Music"

Key Predictions for the AI Music Market​

The data from market research firms shows a clear, sharp upward trend:
MetricProjectionTimeframe
Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR)26.7% - 31.6%2024 to 2030 (or 2033)
Market Valuation (AI in Music)Projected to reach $38.7 billionBy 2033
Generative AI Market (Music)Projected to reach $2.8 billionBy 2030

Impact on the Traditional Music Industry​

While this growth is enormous, it has two major, contrasting effects on the traditional music industry:
  1. Revenue Boost: AI is expected to create new revenue streams and opportunities. Some reports predict that AI music will drive a 17.2% increase in overall music industry revenue by 2025.
  2. Revenue Cannibalization: Conversely, the growth of AI-generated content is predicted to put a significant portion of human creators' income at risk. One study predicts that as much as 24% of music creators' revenue could be cannibalized by generative AI outputs by 2028.

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The Future of AI Music in Streaming​

The real shift will be seen on streaming platforms, driven by two key incentives:

1. The Streaming Platform Advantage​

Streaming services have a financial incentive to push AI music because it often has significantly lower royalty costs than human-made content.
  • B2B Libraries: AI-generated music is expected to dominate background music and sound libraries (for use in videos, games, advertising). Analysts project that 60% of music in B2B libraries could be AI-generated by 2028.
  • Passive Playlists: Streaming platforms are already quietly using AI-generated tracks to fill "mood playlists" (like relaxation, focus, or ambient music), reducing their reliance on expensive catalogs.

2. The Dominance of "Human-in-the-Loop"​

Experts generally agree that the most valuable part of the market is not 100% full automation, but rather Human-AI Collaboration.
  • AI will act as a "co-pilot," assisting human artists with tedious tasks, generating rapid ideas, and creating new sounds.
  • This model allows artists to speed up production and lower costs while maintaining the emotional and conceptual direction that defines their unique identity.
 
AI generated music can also become the kiss of death for TTR and other recording at home forums by making these forums irrelevant to the process of writing and recording music that YOU created all by yourself without the aid of Robbie The Robot doing all the heavy lifting.

When it comes to writing lyrics....rhyming dictionaries can be useful.

I saw a video about a band who had heard an AI generated song. They liked it and decided to record a cover version of the song. :ROFLMAO:
 
"Can Scientists create machines and things to make our lives easier and do the dirty work no one wants to do?!?"
"Best we can do is f*ck all the artists."
 
Definitely a polarizing topic.

I've been reading about it on threads in many places along with similar youtube videos offer compelling arguments from both angles. A constant seems to be crankiness and indignance on one side, joy of musical discovery and empowerment on the other.

Being firmly a musical "hobbiest" and amateur lyricist who doesn't rely on music-making for a living in any way, I'm on the side of using every available tool at my disposal which keeps me interested and excited about lyrical word and song.

I might feel differently if I was a professional. I've also been of the mind cover band musicians are often highly skilled at what they do, but that doesn't necessarily make them creative artists. They can still be quite expressive in accurately recreating the pieces, (or reinterpreting emotively) the original artist's intention.
When it come to music we hardly ever seem to make much distinction between performance and creation.

I also know the dark feelings of creating something and having someone steal it outright to sell under their brand. Much different for me if it was only a borrowing of my original idea not to used for profit.

And the crux of it is... when people are able to SELL AI assisted music, often not labeling it as such, that's the point where it sets foot in the wrong territory for me.

Me burning myself a bunch of produced and engineered semi-"bangers" I wrote lyrics to, then boppin' to 'em while I cruise into the city?

I gotta tell you it's really quite enjoyable! Zero guilt felt.
 
Do what thou wilt, but know you are stealing other’s work as you bop to your tunes. Suno is not creating anything. It’s like saying a bank robber creates money out of thin air. I was a professional who wrote and played virtually every track on my own work (with the exception of singers and saxophones) and I resent the hell out of Suno copping our licks and lyrics.
 
Funny you'd use that analogy perhaps not understanding the biggest ongoing robbery of all time is banks creating money out of thin air
 
I’m not taking a side on this…not completely…yet.
I do not like the plagiarism aspect…at all.
I do like to encourage musical creativity.
That said…

This reminds me of the dawn of midi sequencing, and electronic music. It too was a polarizing thing when it was born.
A big difference was that you had to have the ability to program the stuff. It’s just machine code. Knowledge of music was still required…you just needed to translate it to machine language. Now, I can find midi cover songs that are pre-programmed, complete arrangements, easily downloadable, for free, at several sites online. It’s pretty easy to dump these files into a sequencer, and load up some VIs…rearrange anything that I want…eliminate/change instruments…whatever.

This AI stuff seems to be the evolution of that concept…granted that evolution has been roided up to the hilt…but it’s still machine code…with permission to cop a feel from an infinite interface pool. It takes the….I don’t know…a chunk of the learning experience, I guess, out of the equation. Kinda cheapens it, by doing the leg work…so to speak.
We’re being given, after all the prompting, a polished production…fully autotuned…perfect harmonies…all shiny and bright.
For those that can interact with it, but do not have the skill set to produce music themselves…even though they can envision a final result, this is a means to an end that is otherwise out of reach.

For those that have struggled to achieve a skill set for producing the music that they themselves have envisioned…I can absolutely see how AI is seen as apocalyptic. Particularly when the source matter pool is not completely known…where are these polished riffs coming from? Are they truly being generated from scratch by the machine? Is the machine fulfilling these queries/prompts from a pool of actual artists? Willing artists? Knowing artists? I’d rather not be a part of that…but that’s just me…speaking for myself…but do I even have a say in it?(I’m sure I don’t really qualify to need to think about having a say in it)

So far, it’s just a shiny toy that some of us will learn to exploit.
What we do with that toy is left to be judged by history. The genie is out of the bottle.
 
TVvoodoo said:
Funny you'd use that analogy perhaps not understanding the biggest ongoing robbery of all time is banks creating money out of thin air
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I just saw a post from a guy I used to work with who said he and his son got fleeced by cryptocurrency investments.
They tried withdrawing the crypto, it went to their bank in theory. The accounts got locked.
Investment, gone. No proof to show. The FBI said it had to be a million for them to get involved.

I get why professional musicians would have a problem with AI.
I have a problem stealing music by file sharing. That’s why I never have used it.
I pay the musicians or their perspective labels.

There is a thing that people seem to forget about our beloved rock-n-roll.
It is stolen from R&B.
I am not in to steeling anything.
I kind of feel this topic could become very dark in a minute.
 
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Randy Van Malmsteen said:
The output is really good - The metal "style" is quite interesting, esp. since there are so many sub genres (as metal fans know).

The genre they lean towards here is an epic Euro-power metal style, which I personally like. All of the examples are good in their own way, and have various musical arrangement components that I'm sure are intentional, because they're literally typical/formulaic. I can't really imagine how it programmatically pieces words and vocals together over top so well.

So what do we actually have here? A vending machine for music.

Odd aside: one of the reasons I got into music as a teenager was to impress and seduce chicks. I'd noticed that they'd aim their doe-eyes up at performers and find musicians to be irresistible.

I'd played for my living for some years. Yes, on the road I had some promiscuous encounters that were facilitated by being a musician. My goal was achieved to some degree in that regard. But... be careful for what you wish for. Free sex with tipsy women... was the 10,000 hours of practice worth it? Then you get 10 years older and think back: "Wait a sec here... I'm kinda average... I bet they sleep with random band members every time they'd come through their little town. Last weekend just happened to be me, their greaseball of choice for that particular weekend."

Outside of sheer wealth, having creative talents was once a compensatory edge that could pique the interest of females. Due to AI, the cheat code of being a musician to impress chicks is about to vaporize. Maybe it's for the best for our civilization.
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I think that there are so many influencers on the internet they don’t have time for musicians.lol
In the 70’s there were not to many ladies who could actually shred on guitar, now there are probably 50%. The kids these days are just mind blowing.
No point made I guess.

I guess AI doesn’t scare me because all or most of the music I like was made 50 years ago. You can’t really re do it , it’s already been done a 1000 times.

Cover and tribute artists are technically playing songs they do not own the rights to and as silly as it sounds is illegal.

AI is like throwing 50 years and 100’s of genre’s in a blender and hitting purée.
 
So, should we be looking at this as analogous to playing the slot machines/one armed bandits?
Put in a nickel, and you’ll get a song as payout…BUT….there’s a chance that YOU could get a HIT song. That should make the small monthly auto deducted fee worth while, right?
Well…someone will make the $ from it, by hook or crook.
I think I understand now.
I like the cake analogy in the lawyer video @ibmorjamn posted above.
If we choose not to play, the industry probably will anyway.
Either way, we’re in for a bunch of exposure to this.
Time for my second cup of coffee….
 
Seamus OReally said:
Not so fast. The venues where cover and tribute bands play pay a licensing fee to BMI and ASCAP that covers performances in the venue. It’s perfectly legal, and the songwriters do get paid.
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Indeed, in this country you need a licence to play live or recorded music in public - this includes in:

shops
offices and factories
hairdressers and beauty salons
cinemas and theatres
hotels and guesthouses
restaurants and cafes
pubs, bars and nightclubs
sports grounds and other sporting facilities (such as bowling alleys)
gyms and other health facilities
bingo halls and casinos
social clubs and members’ clubs
churches and halls
public transport
 
Thatbastarddon said:
So, should we be looking at this as analogous to playing the slot machines/one armed bandits?
Put in a nickel, and you’ll get a song as payout…BUT….there’s a chance that YOU could get a HIT song. That should make the small monthly auto deducted fee worth while, right?
Well…someone will make the $ from it, by hook or crook.
I think I understand now.
I like the cake analogy in the lawyer video @ibmorjamn posted above.
If we choose not to play, the industry probably will anyway.
Either way, we’re in for a bunch of exposure to this.
Time for my second cup of coffee….
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Resisting is futile, that video has Beato saying pro are already using it for production.
I did see another YouTuber that has a life long career in music just about ready to cry because he spent years going to school to be good at all aspects of music and he said now that’s all done with Suno Studio.
I get how hard people want to go at this, ok. Just one more thing to get your blood pressure up.

If was really good at playing guitar I might be upset. Here is my perspective, as life has come to a point where if something makes you happy and it is not illegal it’s worth a shot to me.

I wrote a full song lyric only ( very sappy sci-fi nonsense ), prompted minimal input, melodic metal , 130 bpm and it spit out a couple of songs complete with main and backing vocals.
Is it perfect ? No but is it good? To me it is useful. I started changing things, you can edit pieces.

If you ask me, what are you listening to?
My Suno song. It’s not good enough to make money but one of the melodies I really like a lot. I can see the mob has gathered so the end of being on here might be near because no one can tell me what I like.
 
Seamus OReally said:
Not so fast. The venues where cover and tribute bands play pay a licensing fee to BMI and ASCAP that covers performances in the venue. It’s perfectly legal, and the songwriters do get paid.
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Of course you can buy a license, that goes without saying and that is the right way to do it but if you want to stop me from using Suno , good luck.
 
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