Dave Sloven
Ambassador of DOOM!
OMG Robert those pointers aren't lined up properly! You'd better fix that ... 
Poll: Top Hats or Reflectors
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RVA
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On a Les Paul I tend to like top hats, but reflectors on SGs. And then there is Greeny:
I will need a tissue and some alone time now. Dayumm that looks fanfrickintastic! I has LP gas
Baffling. History aside, the guitar is a mess. And even when it was new, that top would not even qualify as AAA. Next, out of phase is not something people look for in an LP. Also, I am not that familiar with the "legend" of this guitar, but reversing the orientarion of the pup so the neck pup has the slugs on the wrong side does not make a guitar out of phase, so I guess he also wired it wrong. Whoever the tech was should be shot. As for the music that came out of this guitar, it was often heavenly, but this may have had something to do with the fact that Peter Green or Gary Moore were playing it. But Gary is dead and Peter is crazy. Value being equal, I would rather grab an LP from Wildwood or Sweetwater.
OMG Robert those pointers aren't lined up properly! You'd better fix that ...
LOL!
Good eye! Yes, they got fixed before I gave it to Mom...
I don't play it anymore, but I think it looks good with Witch Hats....
Tony M.
Ambassador
Beat me to it.
...but I will ice the cake Ray baked.
I am not a "collector". I play ALL my guitars in public and...
The guitar is in poor condition at best. The "magical" sounds it made? NONSENSE !
The guys who played it made the magic on that guitar, which is actually nothing
more that a couple of chunks of dead trees and some repurposed scrap metal.
If I played it there would be no magic whatsoever. It would sound like every
other guitar I play. I will never understand the insanely elevated value of a
guitar because some famous guy used it. All that means is it was beaten
half to death on the road for years. I acknowledge this false value but
do not "get" it. The guitar would be of no use to me for gigging. It is
the equivalent of a pair of torn paint spattered jeans and I would
trade it for a new PRS Mira S2 which would look much nicer and
sound just as good if not better with me playing it.
(The other guy would have to throw some money into the trade too. I'm not completely stupid.)
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RVA
Ambassador
Someone once said that if you put a piece of fruit on the TV, it also would become famous and more valuable. "Hey, that's the apple from the commercial!!"
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Goldmember
Ambassador of Golden Yoo-Hoos
That gold chip is as shexshy and shmooth as a pancake!Goldmember...you really need one of these...gold plated brass...from Philadelphia Luthier Tools....
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Biddlin
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I have an instrument that once belonged to a celebrity. I bought it in a pawn shop for $450. It is a nice guitar. I have not experienced any "possession" by the former owner's talent.
Off topic, but it has been bothering me, why would anyone want to grope Taylor Swift's skinny butt?
Off topic, but it has been bothering me, why would anyone want to grope Taylor Swift's skinny butt?
Exactly - Hideous.
Gahr
Ambassador of Blues & Brews
I wouldn't say it's a mess, but I see your point, though. It is well used. Personally I love the fact that it doesn't have a particularly "flamey" top; I tend to prefer plaintops to flames. It is probably not any better than other good Les Pauls, and of course, the beautiful sounds it has made is due to the fact that it was played by Peter Green and Gary Moore (Kirk Hammett, not so much...). That will always be the case with any guitar. However, to me, there is more to a guitar than just the guitar itself; inspiration and joy can come from the guitar's history and looks as well as from it being a great player. As for the price, of course no guitar is really worth $2 million, but if someone is willing to pay that much (as Hammett reportedly did), I guess it can be argued that it IS worth that much...
As for the out of phase and reversed pickup thing, that part of the Peter Green story is well known. It was rewired with a flipped magnet (accidentally) and put back in the guitar the wrong way. Peter Green loved the sound, and the rest is history. I dig the out of phase sound, and have three guitars with flipped magnets in the neck pickup, two of which I have flipped myself. I hope I do not deserve to be shot because of it.
For the record, I really just wanted to show the picture because of the two different styles of knobs on it...
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RVA
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The shooting is necessitated by doing such a poor job on the instrument of a professional musician who depends on that instrument for his career and to entertain those who have spent their hard earned money on admission to see said musician. Personal preferences never require a firing line, or any sort of punishment really.I wouldn't say it's a mess, but I see your point, though. It is well used. Personally I love the fact that it doesn't have a particularly "flamey" top; I tend to prefer plaintops to flames. It is probably not any better than other good Les Pauls, and of course, the beautiful sounds it has made is due to the fact that it was played by Peter Green and Gary Moore (Kirk Hammett, not so much...). That will always be the case with any guitar. However, to me, there is more to a guitar than just the guitar itself; inspiration and joy can come from the guitar's history and looks as well as from it being a great player. As for the price, of course no guitar is really worth $2 million, but if someone is willing to pay that much (as Hammett reportedly did), I guess it can be argued that it IS worth that much...
As for the out of phase and reversed pickup thing, that part of the Peter Green story is well known. It was rewired with a flipped magnet (accidentally) and put back in the guitar the wrong way. Peter Green loved the sound, and the rest is history. I dig the out of phase sound, and have three guitars with flipped magnets in the neck pickup, two which I have flipped myself. I hope I do not deserve to be shot because of it.
For the record, I really just wanted to show the picture because of the two different styles of knob on it...
And that is not a plain top. It is a poorly matched flame top.
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Gahr
Ambassador of Blues & Brews
The way things turned out, I think the tech should be knighted rather than shot!
And, yes, of course you are right again. It is a poorly matched flame top. But despite the looks, to me it is still the effing Jesus of guitars!
I am definitely an SG guy, but of all the guitars out there in the hands of any given player, Greeny as played by Peter Green is the single guitar that currently inspires me the most.
RVA
Ambassador
From what I heard, you pay him fine tribute when you pick up your own guitar. Hats off Sir!The way things turned out, I think the tech should be knighted rather than shot!
And, yes, of course you are right again. It is a poorly matched flame top. But despite the looks, to me it is still the effing Jesus of guitars!
Col Mustard
Ambassador of Perseverance
Which brings us back around to the music, me droogies...
It ain't the meat, it's the motion. It ain't the knobs, it's how you turn them.
So my vote was not to vote.
I actually dislike the weird (to me) sound of out of phase hum buckers, but am a fan of Peter Green's
style and Gary Moore's style even more. When it comes to knobs, they are only ornaments.
Some players prefer death's heads, I've seen guitars with dice for knobs. I'm not a gambler.
Or a Zombie master.
The sound of Peter Green's guitar caught my attention in like 1969 when Fleetwood Mac was
called "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac" and had no chick singers and was a blues band with some
really cheesy pop tendencies. What got to me first was Peter Green's songs and guitar delivery...
I ignored the pop sounds of some of the other members. Nobody's perfect.
What got me second was the Drums/Bass sound of that band... Mick Fleetwood & John McVie seem
to me still to be a really fine illustration of how the drums and the bass are the heart of any band.
If the drums and the bass are tight, you can lay anything on top of it and it will sound great, and
come out right at the turnarounds. Guitars and keys can be totally out of control, but if the drums
and the bass are tight, people will say it's creative. *grins ...add wailing sax solos, female vocalists
...anything. The drums and the bass will bring it home on time.
Knobs don't matter much, but they are an interesting ornabutt to add to a lovely (or not so lovely)
instrument. They have no effect on tone, unless your finger slips off when you're attempting to
turn one.
It ain't the meat, it's the motion. It ain't the knobs, it's how you turn them.
So my vote was not to vote.
I actually dislike the weird (to me) sound of out of phase hum buckers, but am a fan of Peter Green's
style and Gary Moore's style even more. When it comes to knobs, they are only ornaments.
Some players prefer death's heads, I've seen guitars with dice for knobs. I'm not a gambler.
Or a Zombie master.
The sound of Peter Green's guitar caught my attention in like 1969 when Fleetwood Mac was
called "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac" and had no chick singers and was a blues band with some
really cheesy pop tendencies. What got to me first was Peter Green's songs and guitar delivery...
I ignored the pop sounds of some of the other members. Nobody's perfect.
What got me second was the Drums/Bass sound of that band... Mick Fleetwood & John McVie seem
to me still to be a really fine illustration of how the drums and the bass are the heart of any band.
If the drums and the bass are tight, you can lay anything on top of it and it will sound great, and
come out right at the turnarounds. Guitars and keys can be totally out of control, but if the drums
and the bass are tight, people will say it's creative. *grins ...add wailing sax solos, female vocalists
...anything. The drums and the bass will bring it home on time.
Knobs don't matter much, but they are an interesting ornabutt to add to a lovely (or not so lovely)
instrument. They have no effect on tone, unless your finger slips off when you're attempting to
turn one.
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Biddlin
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I really like the knurled speed knobs on my Les Paul Melody Makers.
I also like the small caliber knurled knobs on my N-225
I also like the small caliber knurled knobs on my N-225
Well let's take a look at yet another alternative to this debate:
Different. Neat!