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What is a 351 Windsor Exactly?​

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The 351 Windsor (351w for short) is the largest of the Ford Small Block engine family. Ford Motor Company built them between 1969 and 1996. It’s a 90 degree V8 with an overhead valve train. The 351 corresponds to the number of cubic inches displaced by the stoke of all 8 cylinders during normal operation. It’s also commonly referred to as the 5.8 liter for the same reason. The name ‘Windsor’ comes from where the engine was produced… in Ford’s Windsor Ontario casting plant.

Similar in size and shape to the very common 302, the 351 is a taller block. This allows for more piston travel in the cylinder, increasing the cubic inches. To accommodate the increased displacement and increased power, the 351 block castings are beefier in almost every respect.

The Windsor is one of three engines offered by Ford in the 351 displacement. There was also the 351 Cleveland and the 351M (often called the ‘Modified’). The Windsor engine is by far the most common and had the highest production numbers… Ford produced about 8.6 million units at the Windsor plant. It also tends to be the easiest to find aftermarket parts for, due to it sharing many parts with the 302 small block
 
Been reading thru this thread and had to chuckle. I realized car guys discussing cars and brands of cars are just like..... well.... everyone discussing politics. We all have an opinion. Most of us tend to be pretty brand loyal. And frankly, not always based on reality in the big picture, but thru experience. My personal experience.... I had one Ford. Didn't really like it. Have never bought another one. Reality is. Ford makes great cars. My brain tells me that. My heart says "nope.... you can't make me."

Just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
iblive said:
Been reading thru this thread and had to chuckle. I realized car guys discussing cars and brands of cars are just like..... well.... everyone discussing politics. We all have an opinion. Most of us tend to be pretty brand loyal. And frankly, not always based on reality in the big picture, but thru experience. My personal experience.... I had one Ford. Didn't really like it. Have never bought another one. Reality is. Ford makes great cars. My brain tells me that. My heart says "nope.... you can't make me."

Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Kind of like Gibson vs Fender.
 
Session 5 said:

What is a 351 Windsor Exactly?​

Windsor2-1024x768.jpg.webp

The 351 Windsor (351w for short) is the largest of the Ford Small Block engine family. Ford Motor Company built them between 1969 and 1996. It’s a 90 degree V8 with an overhead valve train. The 351 corresponds to the number of cubic inches displaced by the stoke of all 8 cylinders during normal operation. It’s also commonly referred to as the 5.8 liter for the same reason. The name ‘Windsor’ comes from where the engine was produced… in Ford’s Windsor Ontario casting plant.

Similar in size and shape to the very common 302, the 351 is a taller block. This allows for more piston travel in the cylinder, increasing the cubic inches. To accommodate the increased displacement and increased power, the 351 block castings are beefier in almost every respect.

The Windsor is one of three engines offered by Ford in the 351 displacement. There was also the 351 Cleveland and the 351M (often called the ‘Modified’). The Windsor engine is by far the most common and had the highest production numbers… Ford produced about 8.6 million units at the Windsor plant. It also tends to be the easiest to find aftermarket parts for, due to it sharing many parts with the 302 small block
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Windsors are definitely good , I however had a 71 Mach 1 with 351 Cleveland.
Only it had 2 barrel heads not the oversized intakes that were nearly 2.25” in the 4 barrel heads. The heads that were lusted after. lol

Ford actually built some pretty hefty drag motors. In the drag motor wars. 427 side oil block , 428 and the 429 “Cammer” DOHC
 
WavMixer said:
I n 1969 NASCAR created the 305 cu in rule. The Chevy 302 was a 327 block with a 283 crank which provided a fast revving big bore, short stroke engine. This left Chevy with a bunch of 283 blocks and 327 cranks which is where the 305 originated from. A real boat anchor with a long stroke and small bore.
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NASCAR: I believe the "305" rule was put in effect just for the Dodge and Plymouth winged cars, which effectively eliminated them from competition. I know the Boss 429 was run in 69 and 70. GM cars were still using the 427. The non winged MOPARS were still allowed to run the Hemi. It was from 1972-1974 that NASCAR phased in the 358 CID limit on engines.... which I think is still the limit today.

SBC: The 283, 302, 327 and 350 shared a lot of parts. Not 100% interchangeable.... but close.

265: 3.750 bore x 3" stroke (the original SBC, I believe)
283: 3.875" bore x 3" stroke
302: 4" bore x 3" stroke - (327 block and 283 crank)
327: 4" bore x 3.25" stroke
350: 4" bore x 3.48" stroke

Then the "odd balls:
307: 3.875 bore x 3.25" stroke (leftover 283 blocks and 327 cranks) Built from 68-73. And you are correct. Basically a boat anchor.
305: 3.736" bore x 3.48" stroke. This engine came to be in 1976. I had one in my 77 Monza. Purpose built engine to meet fuel economy and emission control garbage.... by doing things like making the crankshaft lighter..... partly accomplished by making the main journals a smaller diameter (2.10") than a standard 350 (2.45")..... as in, if you wanted to drop a 350 crank into a 305 you either had to line bore the mains or cut the crank down, which if memory serves, involved reheat treating the crank.
 
iblive said:
NASCAR: I believe the "305" rule was put in effect just for the Dodge and Plymouth winged cars, which effectively eliminated them from competition. I know the Boss 429 was run in 69 and 70. GM cars were still using the 427. The non winged MOPARS were still allowed to run the Hemi. It was from 1972-1974 that NASCAR phased in the 358 CID limit on engines.... which I think is still the limit today.

SBC: The 283, 302, 327 and 350 shared a lot of parts. Not 100% interchangeable.... but close.

265: 3.750 bore x 3" stroke (the original SBC, I believe)
283: 3.875" bore x 3" stroke
302: 4" bore x 3" stroke - (327 block and 283 crank)
327: 4" bore x 3.25" stroke
350: 4" bore x 3.48" stroke

Then the "odd balls:
307: 3.875 bore x 3.25" stroke (leftover 283 blocks and 327 cranks) Built from 68-73. And you are correct. Basically a boat anchor.
305: 3.736" bore x 3.48" stroke. This engine came to be in 1976. I had one in my 77 Monza. Purpose built engine to meet fuel economy and emission control garbage.... by doing things like making the crankshaft lighter..... partly accomplished by making the main journals a smaller diameter (2.10") than a standard 350 (2.45")..... as in, if you wanted to drop a 350 crank into a 305 you either had to line bore the mains or cut the crank down, which if memory serves, involved reheat treating the crank.
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I stand corrected. There was a Trans Am circuit that was limited to 305 cu.in. displacement engines. This is what to 302 in the Z/28, the Boss 302 and the mopar 305 engines were set up for. The big 3 had to mass produce a certain amount of cars for the public to make them eligible, however Chrysler was allowed to use the 340 in their production models. and the 305 in their race versions.
 
Yep, the Chevy 302 was produced to compete with the Mustang on the Trans Am circuit. Only available in the 67-69 Z-28 Camaro. When the press asked a GM rep “what’s a Camaro?”, the rep replied, "a small, vicious animal that eats Mustangs.“ :pound-hand:

I’ve owned two 68 Camaros and still own a 2010 Camaro…
 
WavMixer said:
I stand corrected. There was a Trans Am circuit that was limited to 305 cu.in. displacement engines. This is what to 302 in the Z/28, the Boss 302 and the mopar 305 engines were set up for. The big 3 had to mass produce a certain amount of cars for the public to make them eligible, however Chrysler was allowed to use the 340 in their production models. and the 305 in their race versions.
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Back in the day when both Trans Am and NASCAR cars actually looked like the ones sitting on the showroom floor. Not like the purpose built cars racing today. NASCAR has basically become a spec class. Engines about the only difference between the brands.
 
WavMixer said:
I stand corrected. There was a Trans Am circuit that was limited to 305 cu.in. displacement engines. This is what to 302 in the Z/28, the Boss 302 and the mopar 305 engines were set up for. The big 3 had to mass produce a certain amount of cars for the public to make them eligible, however Chrysler was allowed to use the 340 in their production models. and the 305 in their race versions.
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yeppers what i posted about the DZ 302 earlier.
 
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☝ My first car…1964 Ford Falcon Futura

I removed the stock 200 straight-6 and crammed in a 302 off a Mercury—added 351W heads, Edelbrock intake, Carter AFB carburetor and Hedman headers…scared every Camaro in town for a few weeks until somebody popped the hood and realized I’d changed things up a bit.
 
I had a Chevy Biscayne 4 door. I bought it from a guy who dragged raced it. It had a 396 and body had some work done to it. I would kick butt light to light against lots of muscle cars. I wish i had some pictures to show you, but in that stage of my life, taking pictures wasn't my top priority back then. It was a sleeper! Many guys would stop into the parking lots, which you can no longer do, and ask, me what's under the hood of that beast. I would just smile.
 
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