Marshall 4 x 12’s going out ?

[ibmorjamn]

Local guys down sizing trend.
I am so tempted to snag a 4 x 12. If I was not already instrument pour so to speak.
The 4 x 12 are going under 500$ locally.
Lose ,lose , because I can buy one but damn sure wouldn’t ship it. No room or real use for it other than , yes I want one but no I don’t need it.

 

[Don O]

Want trumps need every time :dood:

 

[67plexi]

The last time I used one of my 4 x 12 Marshall cabinets on stage was 25 years ago
it did sound good 1968 super lead 100 Marshall but sad to say stages got smaller and combo amps rule now

 

[ibmorjamn]

Want trumps need every time :dood:

Right, had I not just bought a new cab, new amp, new $2000 guitar in Dec. Want would rule. The grown up somewhere deep in my soul must be strong . Lol

 

[Headache]

Local guys down sizing trend.
I am so tempted to snag a 4 x 12. If I was not already instrument pour so to speak.
The 4 x 12 are going under 500$ locally.
Lose ,lose , because I can buy one but damn sure wouldn’t ship it. No room or real use for it other than , yes I want one but no I don’t need it.

You NEED a 4x12 buddy!
If for no other reason than "studying resonance"

 

[Brian Krashpad]

Man, I'm so glad I live in the Punk Rock Capital of the Southeast™. Do I see full stacks here? No (almost never, anyhow). But then I never did.

Do I still see half stacks here? Feck yeah I do.

The "stages are smaller" claim is bullsh*t. At any place I've been or played locally, the stages are the same sizes they've always been. And not only are the stages the same sizes, but that claim is doubly bullsh*t, because its unstated premise is that a 4x12 takes up a lot more stage space than other amps.

They don't. The stage footprint of a 4x12 is not appreciably bigger than that of a 2x12 combo. Maybe by a few inches in length and width. They just go higher up. Are ceilings somehow magically lower nowadays?

Unless you're playing the Green Dragon in Hobbiton, I call bullsh*t.

Photo of most recent show, rig: Marshall DSL 1x12 atop Marshall 4x10 (Model 1510, which is the same size as a 4x12, if not slightly larger):



Photo of penultimate show, same Model 1510 Marshall cab and Marshall Lead 100 (Model 3210) head:



I dunno, maybe in cover band venues where the house is more concerned with selling food or beer, than presenting music, and want to cram in a few more tables, there are smaller stages. Fortunately not anywhere I play.

There are a few valid reasons combos are seen more. They're often cheaper for the player. They're always lighter and more mobile. And, and this is the most important one: soundpeople prefer combos because halfstack players like to turn up louder and are thus harder to mic.

Stages in true music venues are not smaller, and even if they were, halfstack stage footprints are not appreciably bigger than a 2x12 combo. This is predominately a "user error" problem: musos like to turn up 4x12s louder than they should, and soundpeople hate dealing with that.

Happy halfstacking!

 

[ibmorjamn]

You NEED a 4x12 buddy!
If for no other reason than "studying resonance"

It’s actually a lot more than the few items I listed.

 

[67plexi]

Well in the town I live in things have changed the larger clubs with big stages have closed down
and the other's have remolded to smaller stages so they can seat more cruse ship people
even worse the new sound men want you to go derict no tube amp now 4th of July we have a large outdoor stage
I used a pair of Dumble style ODS 50 watt 1 12 combos EVM12L speakers
don't get me wrong I still own 9 Marshall 4 x 12 cabinets and over 50 tube guitar and bass amps

 

[ibmorjamn]

The other thing for me, I’m not playing clubs.
I almost bet they went to silent stages in some clubs in Portland.

 

[Amp Mad Scientist]

Local guys down sizing trend.
I am so tempted to snag a 4 x 12. If I was not already instrument pour so to speak.
The 4 x 12 are going under 500$ locally.
Lose ,lose , because I can buy one but damn sure wouldn’t ship it. No room or real use for it other than , yes I want one but no I don’t need it.

Well
a 4X12 has the bottom end that no other cabinet has.
You will never get that from an open back combo amp.

True that 4X12 has gone out of style because of size and weight.
It's still viable if you don't need to move it around.

 

[Thatbastarddon]

I could go for one more 4X12….well….maybe two.

 

[DirtySteve]

I'm just happy I finally got a 212. I can't justify a 412, but it would be nice to have one someday when I have more space.

 

[Headache]

I could go for one more 4X12….well….maybe two.

Now we're talkin!

 

[RobV]

Man, I'm so glad I live in the Punk Rock Capital of the Southeast™. Do I see full stacks here? No (almost never, anyhow). But then I never did.

Do I still see half stacks here? Feck yeah I do.

The "stages are smaller" claim is bullsh*t. At any place I've been or played locally, the stages are the same sizes they've always been. And not only are the stages the same sizes, but that claim is doubly bullsh*t, because its unstated premise is that a 4x12 takes up a lot more stage space than other amps.

They don't. The stage footprint of a 4x12 is not appreciably bigger than that of a 2x12 combo. Maybe by a few inches in length and width. They just go higher up. Are ceilings somehow magically lower nowadays?

Unless you're playing the Green Dragon in Hobbiton, I call bullsh*t.

Photo of most recent show, rig: Marshall DSL 1x12 atop Marshall 4x10 (Model 1510, which is the same size as a 4x12, if not slightly larger):

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Photo of penultimate show, same Model 1510 Marshall cab and Marshall Lead 100 (Model 3210) head:

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I dunno, maybe in cover band venues where the house is more concerned with selling food or beer, than presenting music, and want to cram in a few more tables, there are smaller stages. Fortunately not anywhere I play.

There are a few valid reasons combos are seen more. They're often cheaper for the player. They're always lighter and more mobile. And, and this is the most important one: soundpeople prefer combos because halfstack players like to turn up louder and are thus harder to mic.

Stages in true music venues are not smaller, and even if they were, halfstack stage footprints are not appreciably bigger than a 2x12 combo. This is predominately a "user error" problem: musos like to turn up 4x12s louder than they should, and soundpeople hate dealing with that.

Happy halfstacking!

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Hey Crash, remember crushing on that honeyburst LP all the way back to HCFX forums....finally scored my own I admit as a home player I still kind of miss my Mesa Solo Rec & 4x12 but the 2 20w heads & 1x12's in W/D or stereo do the trick for me now.

 

[Don O]

I set off the smoke detectors and fire alarms in my house with a 4x12.

 

[Thatbastarddon]

I set off the smoke detectors and fire alarms in my house with a 4x12.

Nice to know I’m not the only Don that does that…..

 

[Brian Krashpad]

Well in the town I live in things have changed the larger clubs with big stages have closed down
and the other's have remolded to smaller stages so they can seat more cruse ship people
even worse the new sound men want you to go derict no tube amp now 4th of July we have a large outdoor stage
I used a pair of Dumble style ODS 50 watt 1 12 combos EVM12L speakers
don't get me wrong I still own 9 Marshall 4 x 12 cabinets and over 50 tube guitar and bass amps

Ugh. It's a safe bet I don't think I'll ever play to cruise ship people. Even if I lived somewhere where there were such people.




I tend to forget about the more commercial side of things and stick to more original music venues or alternative show spaces. Mojo sent. The very idea of a "silent stage" is to me antithetical to any sort of music having anything to do with rock and roll.

 

[Ramo]

at rehearsal i use full stack JCM900/2000... on gigs half stack....

 

[BFT Gibson]

 

[BFT Gibson]

Man, I'm so glad I live in the Punk Rock Capital of the Southeast™. Do I see full stacks here? No (almost never, anyhow). But then I never did.

Do I still see half stacks here? Feck yeah I do.

The "stages are smaller" claim is bullsh*t. At any place I've been or played locally, the stages are the same sizes they've always been. And not only are the stages the same sizes, but that claim is doubly bullsh*t, because its unstated premise is that a 4x12 takes up a lot more stage space than other amps.

They don't. The stage footprint of a 4x12 is not appreciably bigger than that of a 2x12 combo. Maybe by a few inches in length and width. They just go higher up. Are ceilings somehow magically lower nowadays?

Unless you're playing the Green Dragon in Hobbiton, I call bullsh*t.

Photo of most recent show, rig: Marshall DSL 1x12 atop Marshall 4x10 (Model 1510, which is the same size as a 4x12, if not slightly larger):

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Photo of penultimate show, same Model 1510 Marshall cab and Marshall Lead 100 (Model 3210) head:

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I dunno, maybe in cover band venues where the house is more concerned with selling food or beer, than presenting music, and want to cram in a few more tables, there are smaller stages. Fortunately not anywhere I play.

There are a few valid reasons combos are seen more. They're often cheaper for the player. They're always lighter and more mobile. And, and this is the most important one: soundpeople prefer combos because halfstack players like to turn up louder and are thus harder to mic.

Stages in true music venues are not smaller, and even if they were, halfstack stage footprints are not appreciably bigger than a 2x12 combo. This is predominately a "user error" problem: musos like to turn up 4x12s louder than they should, and soundpeople hate dealing with that.

Happy halfstacking!

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In my world...its Stacks & Ampeg fridges ever since was a kid..it hasn't changed when we free jam at my house for fun or have played out over the years. no matter what venue..we set to the kick...there is no tweaking adjusting complaining...