Marshall 4 x 12’s going out ?

In my world...its Stacks & Ampeg fridges ever since was a kid..it hasn't changed when we free jam at my house for fun or have played out over the years. no matter what venue..we set to the kick...there is no tweaking adjusting complaining...

I literally cannot recall ever having a serious run-in with a sound person (or worse, venue management, who can often be clueless) over using a half-stack in a club*. I think in large part, fault for such kerfuffles can be laid at the feet of the muso rather than the soundperson. While it's the latter's job to work with what they're given, a little bit of diplomacy and moderation on the player's part can go a long way.

*note: the use of "club;" this was intentional. Because I did have quite a run-in at a record-store show. We were promised a "promotional opportunity" at a giant chain store called Media Play. Played one song and were told to leave (because they couldn't hear their in-store beeper/walkies!), and they called the cops, who did show up. They broke their promise because of their own stupidity (not realizing that asking a punk rock band to play in their store might be "loud," despite being given a demo beforehand, that literally said "PLAY LOUD" in all caps on it, haha!). And they ended up paying for it. (Although we'd agreed to play for free, when they kicked us out and called the cops, who responded and couldn't believe the store's idiocy-- the sheriff's deputies were literally laughing at them, with us out in the parking lot as we loaded out.)

As for karma, I threatened to sue them purely on the principle of the thing, and they ended up cutting us a check for $100 USD for playing two minutes and thirty-five seconds. ;)

And we got a song out of it:

 
In my world...its Stacks & Ampeg fridges ever since was a kid..it hasn't changed when we free jam at my house for fun or have played out over the years. no matter what venue..we set to the kick...there is no tweaking adjusting complaining...
I'm still on the hunt for one more '71-'72 Hiwatt SE4122 4x12 and/or a '78 Fawn Marshall ""B" cab to go with my 50 Watt JMP and "A" cab.

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But then, it might be fun to get another 8x10. They are rare, and sound amazing.


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This '77 1960A cab is a daily driver, and gets played quite a bit. It has the scars to prove it.




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Man, I'm so glad I live in the Punk Rock Capital of the Southeast™. Do I see full stacks here? No (almost never, anyhow). But then I never did.

Do I still see half stacks here? Feck yeah I do.

The "stages are smaller" claim is bullsh*t. At any place I've been or played locally, the stages are the same sizes they've always been. And not only are the stages the same sizes, but that claim is doubly bullsh*t, because its unstated premise is that a 4x12 takes up a lot more stage space than other amps.

They don't. The stage footprint of a 4x12 is not appreciably bigger than that of a 2x12 combo. Maybe by a few inches in length and width. They just go higher up. Are ceilings somehow magically lower nowadays?

Unless you're playing the Green Dragon in Hobbiton, I call bullsh*t.

Photo of most recent show, rig: Marshall DSL 1x12 atop Marshall 4x10 (Model 1510, which is the same size as a 4x12, if not slightly larger):

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Photo of penultimate show, same Model 1510 Marshall cab and Marshall Lead 100 (Model 3210) head:

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I dunno, maybe in cover band venues where the house is more concerned with selling food or beer, than presenting music, and want to cram in a few more tables, there are smaller stages. Fortunately not anywhere I play.

There are a few valid reasons combos are seen more. They're often cheaper for the player. They're always lighter and more mobile. And, and this is the most important one: soundpeople prefer combos because halfstack players like to turn up louder and are thus harder to mic.

Stages in true music venues are not smaller, and even if they were, halfstack stage footprints are not appreciably bigger than a 2x12 combo. This is predominately a "user error" problem: musos like to turn up 4x12s louder than they should, and soundpeople hate dealing with that.

Happy halfstacking!

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Depends on the venue,,of course. We have some fairly small ones here that do cater to cover tunes and the stages are fairly small. The first pic you posted has quite a lot of room on stage left there, way more than most here.
The biggest issue I find with a 4x12 is the beaming. Projects sound out on that side of the stage meaning more FOH compensation on other side or inability to hear amp on other side. Smaller venues don't translate the sound of a 4x12 well. Open back combos spread out more, as I know you are aware.
Clubs specializing in original is different. Haven't had the chance to play those yet.
Personally, I can get what I need sound wise with a combo, sometimes a 1x12, as most venues really aren't that loud.

Also, I have issues hauling a 100 lb Traynor 4x12 up the basement stairs myself and into an SUV when it is overkill that a 1x12 will actually do.
Getting older, lazy and surly!! I do use the 4x12 now n then tho, mainly outdoor shows.

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All thru my days I carried amps and cabs. When I started amps and cabs was much bigger and heavier and became smaller as time went on.

A few days ago I was carrying a V4 head and I got a hernia. The V4 did me in.
My amp carrying days seem to be over.

Take my advice, switch to 1X12 cabs. Switch to "25 watts or less."
 
I have to use my bass player to lift my amps I ripped my belly button hernia a few years ago just starting to heal
wanted to play my Trainwreck Express amp got a new 2 x 12 Marshall cabinet coffin badge with cream back 65 speakers sounds good
 
Thinking about 67Plexi's post regarding a 2x12, I've used my DST 2x12 with 70th Anniversary Celestion speakers with the Matamp series 3000 head for a gig and it sounded great. It had the perfect balance of a good sound for me, and the overall sound for the band and the songs. I was very happy. They seemed to be well voiced, as the cab is a total of 60 watts, and the head is about 30 watts. Since then, I grabbed a Matamp Anniversary cab with two Celestion Hot 100 speakers that had mods done to sound like the Fane speakers in original Matamps. It sounds amazing with both the Matamp and the Trainwreck Express clone I made. I haven't used the Matamp cab with any other amps. I still need to try the "Wreck" with the DST cab. It sounds great with a couple of the Marshall cabs I own, the Matamp, and the Hiwatt SE4122 cab. I really think that I hit the lottery with some of my amps and cabs that I have. No matter what combination I may mix and match them, they all sound truly fabulous.

DST 2x12 hiding in the corner.

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This Matamp speaker is really sweet! Definitely worth the time and effort buying it, and having it shipped from Montreal. (Way over on the right side of photo)


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Then, there's this monster. My bass player hates the sound of Fender amps, but loves this amp. His favorite combination is when I bring my Rickenbacker 330/6 to practice and use this amp. He has also said that no matter which of my older Gibsons that I play through it, they have a certain sound some of my other amps can't get. It has a full compliment of early '60s RCA tubes in it. I could honestly say this is in the top three best sounding amps that I own. If not three, definitely top five. I will record with it, as well as play it at practice to keep the electrons flowing through it. I won't gig with it though. It's over sixty years old, and will truly kick the butts of any young'ns...



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Everyone uses what works in their space.
If I played live I would have a 4 x 12 , I actually had one before we moved .
Due to space constraints, no acoustic drums (I’m no drummer anyway) or 4 x 12.
 
Have an observation over many cabs & comparison. I like the Marshall AVT 4x12 small cab the best. Its the most focused & same throughout the room

Seems all 4 speakers grouped together closer, project more so as a single..no dead spots in the room like a Marshall 1960 always has. None of that its ripping your head off at one spot & can not hear it a mere 2' away.
 
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