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JohnnyGoo said:
.Hey Jethro or Smitty im sure all the folks dancing and carrying on haveing a good time at your gigs want to know what Caps your using or what tubes ,JJs or Sovteck .? OR what pups your using. Maybe 1 gearhead out of the bunch ?
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Yeah, that’s pretty much the case.

Sometimes, I’ll get questions from guitar players or other techie types who want to know how I like my Helix compared to a real amp. That’s about it. But, yeah, the main thing is the vibe and energy.

For me, one of the most important considerations is actually reliability of my gear. Of course, I go to great efforts to make sure my sound is good, but the stuff has to be reliable and the workflow has to allow for a varied and diverse set list.

Worrying about subtle, nuanced tonal differences between a polyester film capacitor or a paper-in-oil capacitor doesn’t even register on my radar.
 
JohnnyGoo said:
About 3 or so years ago i paid 150$ apiece for orginal early 70s DiMarzio Super Ds.they goin for more now.1 is in a Tele at my Moms and the other is in my ne Epi JJN Lester Custom custom and it sounds wonderfull. Ive had Epi pickups that sound great to. Just more beatin a dead horse about pickups.Run what you like,matters not to me.Hey Jethro or Smitty im sure all the folks dancing and carrying on haveing a good time at your gigs want to know what Caps your using or what tubes ,JJs or Sovteck .? OR what pups your using. Maybe 1 gearhead out of the bunch ? The rest dont give a poop long as it sounds good and they can have good time.Nobody but a selct few could tell 100$ pups to 900$ pups.
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Correct they do not.
But I do. It's about how it sounds to me. Otherwise I could play with a $50 used POS and a small PV amp. I would NOT enjoy that.
Not $900 Pups, I don't mean that!!
 
smitty_p said:
Worrying about subtle, nuanced tonal differences between a polyester film capacitor or a paper-in-oil capacitor doesn’t even register on my radar.
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A bit of a curve from the OP but...
My understanding is that caps on a tone pot simply determine what frequency is shunted to ground thru them. No actual output goes thru them so the frequency will vary with rating but tonally should be no difference with the same rating regardless of cap material. Tone pots are usually wired in parallel to volume pot. Output goes from volume pot.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
Apparently NOTHING was made better than it was in the 1950s according to the snobs :rolleyes:
I saw a set of mid 70s T Tops for sale on Reverb for like $1400.
You can buy a mint mid 70s LP Custom for $5k and get the pickups with it!!.

I could equip all my Les Pauls for less than $10K!!!!
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I see your point. The thing that makes me wonder in one case my son knew a guy that had a old es 125 with a single coil.

That pickup sounded amazing.
The only other story is the Byrdland that Nugent has.

Not sure about the T tops.
 
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Jethro Rocker said:
A bit of a curve from the OP but...
My understanding is that caps on a tone pot simply determine what frequency is shunted to ground thru them. No actual output goes thru them so the frequency will vary with rating but tonally should be no difference with the same rating regardless of cap material. Tone pots are usually wired in parallel to volume pot. Output goes from volume pot.
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The moment someone starts to tell me they can hear the difference in types of tone caps I pretty much tune out.
 
gball said:
The moment someone starts to tell me they can hear the difference in types of tone caps I pretty much tune out.
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To a point I can agree. But on my G400 swapping the stock junk Epi pots for good CTS pots along with the 50's wiring mod and treble bleed components.... there was a definite difference...... even to my rookie ears. Acknowledging the wiring mod probably had more to do with change in tone than the pots.

Edit: And I just reread you post. CAPS..... not POTS. Gotta read better. Or work on my comprehension. Sigh!!
 
I briefly listened. But I do hear something I like but it is crazy to think any pickup is worth that.
 
iblive said:
To a point I can agree. But on my G400 swapping the stock junk Epi pots for good CTS pots along with the 50's wiring mod and treble bleed components.... there was a definite difference...... even to my rookie ears. Acknowledging the wiring mod probably had more to do with change in tone than the pots.

Edit: And I just reread you post. CAPS..... not POTS. Gotta read better. Or work on my comprehension. Sigh!!
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I can hear the diffidence 50's wiring just on the volume controls

burst wiring mod, 002.JPG
 
iblive said:
To a point I can agree. But on my G400 swapping the stock junk Epi pots for good CTS pots along with the 50's wiring mod and treble bleed components.... there was a definite difference...... even to my rookie ears. Acknowledging the wiring mod probably had more to do with change in tone than the pots.

Edit: And I just reread you post. CAPS..... not POTS. Gotta read better. Or work on my comprehension. Sigh!!
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50's wiring is the best
 
iblive said:
To a point I can agree. But on my G400 swapping the stock junk Epi pots for good CTS pots along with the 50's wiring mod and treble bleed components.... there was a definite difference...... even to my rookie ears. Acknowledging the wiring mod probably had more to do with change in tone than the pots.

Edit: And I just reread you post. CAPS..... not POTS. Gotta read better. Or work on my comprehension. Sigh!!
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Pots can make a huge difference. And 50s vs Modern wiring is very different and a personal preference. I don't like '50s wiring at all, but a lot of people do. What's weird is you hear a lot about how it is superior on forums...but it wouldn't cost Gibson any money to switch back to it and they don't, so there has to be a reason there. I suspect what it is is that the average user doesn't get it (honestly I sure don't get it), which is why they have stuck with "modern" wiring for far longer.
 
gball said:
See, that's what I'm sayin right there - you love it but I hate it.
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yeah man, no right or wrong . My first guitar i ever got was Epi SG slash alnico 2 & 50's wiring. probably was all i knew & when i tried regular was sorta lost.
 
BFT Gibson said:
Am a vol & tone knob rider like a madman. 50's keeps the tone consistent as you drop vol. Allows for very precise rhythm to crunch to lead on the fly without doing anything else but twiddlin ya knob
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That's exactly why I prefer modern wiring, ironically. I also constantly ride the volume knobs, and for dropping into comping and chording I actually prefer to have the highs attenuated some. With '50s wiring the tone is still too spikey when I roll the volume back and I have mess to around with the tones to get what I want, whereas with modern the highs roll off and come back with the volume so its a one-knob operation for me.
 
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