Is this r a p e by Gibson?

Jethro Rocker said:
I dunno.
I think something is worth what some one will pay for it? Again, seems ludicrous but to the right buyer that knows what he is getting? Limited edition?

Many people buy very inexpensive guitars and are happy. Some even feel that the cheaper the better. My 1960 Reissue Custom Shop, by the time it was done and sent from US (Cannot get one locally that is not VOS or pre worn out hardware. I wanted glossy) I paid near $10k for mine.
Does that make me a sucker? I love it. Absolutely love it and it puts a smile on my face to play it. Never saw a guitar like it. So does using my Leica M10 camera.
If one has the budget and is willing to pay for it, do whatever makes ya happy!
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Are you sure you are getting what they say on Reissue products..
 
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gball said:
Seems to me they are not forcing anyone to buy these and they are not misrepresenting what they are. So therefore no suckers.
They will sell every set of these without having to mention them twice and the people that buy them know exactly what they are getting, so in the end its win/win.
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Do they know exactly what they are getting Mmm


 
Session 5 said:
The Ops original question is. ( Is this rape by Gibson? )


I say definitely gouging people..
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It may seem a bit like an exercise in semantics, but to me, gouging is more of something that applies to necessities, not luxuries.

I see it more in the context of things like food, medicine, fuel, utilities...that sort of thing.

If suddenly Gibson started charging these prices for something run-of-the-mill, like '57 Classics, I could see the point a little more, as they have been on the market for many years at a given price point.

Now, Gibson is going to be making SERIOUS profit off these. But, if they accurately publish the specs and people buy them anyway...well, I think it's a foolish move to buy them, but if someone chooses to blow their money on these, that's on them.
 
smitty_p said:
It may seem a bit like an exercise in semantics, but to me, gouging is more of something that applies to necessities, not luxuries.

I see it more in the context of things like food, medicine, fuel, utilities...that sort of thing.

If suddenly Gibson started charging these prices for something run-of-the-mill, like '57 Classics, I could see the point a little more, as they have been on the market for many years at a given price point.

Now, Gibson is going to be making SERIOUS profit off these. But, if they accurately publish the specs and people buy them anyway...well, I think its a foolish move to buy them, but if someone chooses to blow their money on these, that's on them.
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Agree.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
Yes this is true. While ludicrous, if people will pay it..
Why does my tiny liquor store in the middle of buttville Canadian prairies have a $1500 bottle of cognac? Cause no one ever buys it?
Apparently some must.
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Or why can you buy Buffalo Trace for 30 bucks but Blantons is 80-90? Comes out of the same distillery. My eldest son, who is a whiskey/bourbon/scotch snob, tells me you almost can’t tell the difference between the two. To a point, it comes down to marketing. Although in the BT vs Blanton case…. Blanton’s has a way lower production number. Just not sure $60 difference worth.
 
I’d actually begun to type more thoughts on this…. But gave it up. Just be beating a dead horse. I feel we’re all in agreement it’s an obscene markup. That Gibson will sell everyone of them. As a “Limited Edition Collectible” betting more than 1/2 of them will never come out of the box to be installed in a guitar. To which I say…. “To each his own.”
 
The way I see it Gibson has to raise the bar to keep people buying is it possible Gibson was able to exact clone a real PAF
sure the wire and magnets were different back then My friend Jim Rolph pickup winder uses exact materials
example I have 4 Gibson guitars with real PAF pickups the two Gibson custom shop guitars had burstbuckers sounded like mud
compared to the real thing Jim's pickups solved that issue. Will a PAF pickup solve a tone turd guitar NO.
 
67plexi said:
The way I see it Gibson has to raise the bar to keep people buying is it possible Gibson was able to exact clone a real PAF
sure the wire and magnets were different back then My friend Jim Rolph pickup winder uses exact materials
example I have 4 Gibson guitars with real PAF pickups the two Gibson custom shop guitars had burstbuckers sounded like mud
compared to the real thing Jim's pickups solved that issue. Will a PAF pickup solve a tone turd guitar NO.
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On my G400, I did a lot of parts swapping. Including pots and pups. Good CTS pups. 50s wiring. Added treble bleed circuit. Eventually added 57 pups. I may not have needed to upgraded pups. Did not notice as big a difference as I thought I might. Now the pots mod. Different story. Big difference.

And then there the actual playing. My kid makes the guitar sound great. I pick it up and sound like poop. Nothing changed in settings.
 
Session 5 said:
Do they know exactly what they are getting Mmm


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Of course they do. This is an educated customer base for these products, not taking a beginner into spending money on something they don't understand and may not need. And, so, Brad has an opinion. Fantastic. I'll take Randy Smith's expertise over Brad's opinion any day.
 
Session 5 said:
I will continue to stand by my answer on this question..
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Being outright and honest and not forcing anyone to buy them has no bearing on or relationship to a gouge factor here. Gibson is great at gouging so why stop here? I'd buy them if I wanted them, but then I'd still have the common sense to know I was taken for a ride. To try to justify an ultimate "fairness" on Gibson's part is complete ludicrous.
 
Session 5 said:
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A reissue amp is not a Historic Les Paul Reissue.
Gibson has been making Les Paul guitars themselves in the US since 1952.
They explain how the historics are well, historic. I am well aware of what I got.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
I'm not saying I would buy those pickups. Not in the slightest.
Some people think $2500 is too much for Les Paul.
So I say don't buy one then. :unsure:
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Exactly. I’d be inclined to spend more on a guitar if I was better at it. Or played in public. For my ability and being a bedroom player….. a $300 used Epi G400 is just fine. Now. I did break down and buy a new MIM Strat a few years ago because…. Well….. it made me. Offered me no choice. And I still spent less than a grand.
 
Yeah people have different priorities and budgets. Some have the budget and desire to own a large 5th wheel trailer or RV. Or an ATV or boat, motorbike, etc.
I don't. Guitar and photography are my hobbies so I spend whatever on whatever I want. I don't aimlessly squander though. The 1960 reissue is an amazing guitar. Is it worth the price? It was to me, that was the price I either want one badly enough or I don't and I was well aware of what I was paying for.
 
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