Gibson Bashing or good review, What say you?

So...let me get this straight...

Guy has sample size of 1
Said sample is an entry level/beginner model
Sample comes stock with frets unsuited to his style
Dude then slaps aftermarket trem on sample
My man then makes sweeping generalization about the company as a whole.

This, my friends, is what we call logical fallacy.
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….And then, there are the “roads not taken” by said “Dude”.
 

I never really liked the idea, but some do. As Robert has said, a properly setup nut is paramount. My SG performs pretty well with its setup…locking tuners, and a Tusq nut tailored to taste. It took me a while to dial it in to the way it performs today, but it was a learning experience. I do a lot of back and forth between drop tuning, and standard tuning, so I’m happier without a full locking system. Drop only setting on a trem system worked well for me when I was gigging regularly. Now that I’ve stepped away from that scene, I find that my setups float pretty well too…although this SG does perform better than my V for full float setup. The V hangs up on the D string occasionally when set to float, but not at all when set to drop only. I’m guessing that it has something to do with the slight difference in the nut geometry for the D & G strings. But, as I stated, it’s rock solid when set to “drop pitch only”. Perhaps that will change in the future, but I’m happy with that one as it is now, and have no compulsion to alter or change out the nut as it stands now.
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Hey bdon, if you push down on the Stets can the strings get so slack they touch the pickups? Or do you mostly control the amount of pitch lowering only so far?
 

I never really liked the idea, but some do. As Robert has said, a properly setup nut is paramount. My SG performs pretty well with its setup…locking tuners, and a Tusq nut tailored to taste. It took me a while to dial it in to the way it performs today, but it was a learning experience. I do a lot of back and forth between drop tuning, and standard tuning, so I’m happier without a full locking system. Drop only setting on a trem system worked well for me when I was gigging regularly. Now that I’ve stepped away from that scene, I find that my setups float pretty well too…although this SG does perform better than my V for full float setup. The V hangs up on the D string occasionally when set to float, but not at all when set to drop only. I’m guessing that it has something to do with the slight difference in the nut geometry for the D & G strings. But, as I stated, it’s rock solid when set to “drop pitch only”. Perhaps that will change in the future, but I’m happy with that one as it is now, and have no compulsion to alter or change out the nut as it stands now.
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My Godin has a non locking 2 screw unit and locking tuners. It is very stable, was floating and in this case I blocked under so it only drops. That way I can change tuning and I have many other floaters.
Nut must be done correctly as it seems very stable under even extreme whammy use which is how I roll. Very impressive!
So I suspect a setup like that with addition of locking behind nut would be as good as anything else.
 
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Hey bdon, if you push down on the Stets can the strings get so slack they touch the pickups? Or do you mostly control the amount of pitch lowering only so far?
They get pretty noodly…the wound strings, yes. But the high E and B not as much…they get plenty slacked, but I’ve not had them stick to the poles yet. Perhaps it’s just the nature of the P90 pickups…maybe not as pulling as poles on other traditional pickups…I dunno. I do know they get slack enough to flop like wet noodles.
 
Anything that can be held is real to me, just saying lmao

In my previous life, i dated a few women whose husband's left them for younger women, after having had some significant work done on themselves

It was like getting to drive a classic Ferrari that had been modernized. It was very satisfying, to say nothing of the enthusiasm of being noticed as opposed to overlooked.
 
It was like getting to drive a classic Ferrari that had been modernized. It was very satisfying, to say nothing of the enthusiasm of being noticed as opposed to overlooked.
Back in the 80's when I worked at a Porsche Audi service dept. one customer was an attractive young blonde who also happened to live in my apartment complex. Let me just say, some of the mechanics had positive reactions whenever she would bring her car in. I had a little more enjoyment than just a reaction.
 
Back in the 80's when I worked at a Porsche Audi service dept. one customer was an attractive young blonde who also happened to live in my apartment complex. Let me just say, some of the mechanics had positive reactions whenever she would bring her car in. I had a little more enjoyment than just a reaction.

Which one did you work at? Did you happen to know a guy named Eric Niemann? He was tech at Tischer back in the day - old friend of mine.
 
Which one did you work at? Did you happen to know a guy named Eric Niemann? He was tech at Tischer back in the day - old friend of mine.
Nope, gball.

I was at Valley Motors in Cockeysville. 1987-1988

We had some decent techs and often heard horror stories from our closest dealer, Stoler.
Always heard good reports about Tischer. In fact one or 2 friends might have gone there once I stopped working at Valley,
 
Nope, gball.

I was at Valley Motors in Cockeysville. 1987-1988

We had some decent techs and often heard horror stories from our closest dealer, Stoler.
Always heard good reports about Tischer. In fact one or 2 friends might have gone there once I stopped working at Valley,

That's cool. I actually bought my first Audi from Tischer but after he worked there (he actually went to work for Porsche North America) but they def treated me right.
 
<<<<<<<<<<<<< has never bought a new car in his life.

Drove 1972 Datsun 510 until I got into carpentry around the fall of 1988. Bought a 77 F100 that I drove up over 240K until around 1994 when I bought my house and got my next WORKHORSE. My 1988 F250 4x4. At 337k, it sits and needs brakes and likely a whole mess of other long overdue overhauling. Shocks, Timing Chain and gears, all manner of odds and ends.

However, that was the best and the most loved truck I ever had. Just for fun facts, other than a few really heavy trailer loads of machines or lumber, I once hauled 2.4 tons of 57's gravel in the bed. With my 200 lbs, that made an even 5000 lbs going from the pit to my home. The next trip I told the scale guy I might try a little lighter load "today" I think it was 1.75 tons LOL
 
Anything that can be held is real to me, just saying lmao

In my previous life, i dated a few women whose husband's left them for younger women, after having had some significant work done on themselves

It was like getting to drive a classic Ferrari that had been modernized. It was very satisfying, to say nothing of the enthusiasm of being noticed as opposed to overlooked.
<<<<<<<<<<<<< has never bought a new car in his life.

Drove 1972 Datsun 510 until I got into carpentry around the fall of 1988. Bought a 77 F100 that I drove up over 240K until around 1994 when I bought my house and got my next WORKHORSE. My 1988 F250 4x4. At 337k, it sits and needs brakes and likely a whole mess of other long overdue overhauling. Shocks, Timing Chain and gears, all manner of odds and ends.

However, that was the best and the most loved truck I ever had. Just for fun facts, other than a few really heavy trailer loads of machines or lumber, I once hauled 2.4 tons of 57's gravel in the bed. With my 200 lbs, that made an even 5000 lbs going from the pit to my home. The next trip I told the scale guy I might try a little lighter load "today" I think it was 1.75 tons LOL

Next post will be how Ford 8.8" axles suck...
 
In my previous life, i dated a few women whose husband's left them for younger women, after having had some significant work done on themselves

It was like getting to drive a classic Ferrari that had been modernized. It was very satisfying, to say nothing of the enthusiasm of being noticed as opposed to overlooked.


Next post will be how Ford 8.8" axles suck...
Who is gonna post that? Robert

My 1991, 5.0 has a 8.8?

I'm pretty sure both my 86 and 88 F250's have a Sterling 10.25 Axle

 
Who is gonna post that? Robert

My 1991, 5.0 has a 8.8?

I'm pretty sure both my 86 and 88 F250's have a Sterling 10.25 Axle

If they are 250's, then yes, a Sterling. If 100's or 150's, then an 8.8" differential.

The joking point of my post was, after describing those heavy loads, you may post that Ford axles suck because of the overloading, especially because i thought you were doing this in a 100 or 150!!!

The reply was entirely meant as a joke...people in general seem to overload pickups, or tow 20,000 pounds, then say they suck when something fails from the overloading.
 
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<<<<<<<<<<<<< has never bought a new car in his life.
I bought only one new car in my entire life. In August of 1999, i bought a brand new, 2000 Hyundai Tiburon, because i was comutting 100 miles a day (round trip) to work, and wanted a more fuel efficient car.

That car was silver with black interior and red stitching, and was special ordered sunroof delete with a 5 speed manual. It cost about $14,000 out the door.
 
Just my observations with behind the nut lock nuts in general.

I'm glad you framed this as a general observation and not an absolute statement.

That's good.

Let me first say that I do agree that a Floyd Rose style locking nut is preferable to a behind-the-nut string lock. So, in general I would agree that a behind the nut string lock is probably not the best solution...but it does vary from installation to installation.

Back in the '80s, I had a Washburn Wonderbar on my '74 SG. I still have that tremolo tucked safely away in a drawer. Anyway, I did not personally install it at the time, as I was new to guitars. I had it installed by a guitar shop shortly after I got the guitar. They installed the lock behind the nut as that is what came with the Wonderbar kit. I used that system for many years without any problems and it returned to pitch very nicely. I do not know if the shop made any modifications to the nut slotting to make it work better with the string lock, but I doubt it.

Incidentally, one popular user of the Washburn Wonderbar is Pat Simmons of the Doobie Brothers. I believe he still uses it to this day. It's a pretty decent system, but it does not have quite the downward range of something like a Floyd.
 
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