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gball said:
All about dollars. If the money had been put into development then the technology would have advanced, just as in any other field. Some technologies just get blocked by money too - think about the trolley system in Los Angeles, for example...



Now this just sounds like manufactured outrage, and is the kind of talk we hear more and more, unfortunately, when people don't necessarily get the answer they want to hear - everyone has to have everything their way or they are being oppressed right? The goverment mandates and regulates literally hundreds of different aspects of your everyday life (and the government builds for the roads you drive on so they sure should have some say in what gets to drive on them). That's part of the tradeoff for living in a society - the greater good, remember?
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I worked for your government, and it is corrupt on an unimaginable level. I dont trust their progressive encroachment, and my stance has become even more staunch since ive began studying law.

Your government would tell you what God to worship if they thought they could get away with it...and there are those who would be OK with that for "the greater good."

Precisely why we purchased land in Texas well in advance of the topic of secession.

It amazes me how the political leftists of the world become angry when there is talk about any kind of divided society.

Scotland has moved to become soverign and the UK is outraged.

Boris Johnson remarked, "The Scotch – what a verminous race!"; "It’s time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified, to pen them in a ghetto on the other side; The nation deserves not merely isolation, but comprehensive extermination".

Your American government is not far behind in this thinking and there are a larhe portion of the public who appear to have a subscription to that point of view.

Like India and Pakistan, why not let those who dissent go in peace and create their own state???
 
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Clockworkmike said:
I'm all for a sustainable EV platform if they can get it right finally with deficiency-free batteries and not charge the cost of a small house for it. But I'm also totally for finding other alternative vehicle systems too, like Hydrogen that was once going to be our future before Tesla exploded into the mainstream. Recently however due to EV issues, hydrogen has been making some noise again. Are hydrogen-powered cars a better option than electric vehicles?

It's our most abundant resource on the planet and unlike EV, still gives the power of gasoline while being more carbon friendly than EVs can be. I'm a sucker for old gasoline combustion engines, as I've played around with true muscle cars in the past. But, like most things, we gotta roll with the times and look to the future to get away from them eventually with crippling oil prices, global emissions crackdowns and sustainability. So, that's fine ultimately, but we gotta have the pieces in place first and need to get it right. EVs can be fine but not the way they are right now, so it seems a simple transition from one combustible engine source to another yet far cleaner would be ideal first
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I'm not for Electric, only because of the destructive nature of lithium, cobalt, and nickel mining. And, because Electric vehicles are being designed as a "total loss" platform. With four moving wheels, improvements in stator design could easily yield self generation of electricity with less dependency of plugging it into a fossil fuel derived energy source. But, that would not generate profits for fossil fuel companies, mineral extraction companies, etc., etc... I would rather see more advances in hydrogen, as it is a much cleaner source. Either way, humans will be involved. That is the problem. They will screw it all up in the name of greed. Doesn't matter nationality or party. Human stupidity is infinite. And if money is involved, we'll make sure the last molecule of oxygen is destroyed before giving up a chance to make a profit.

I remember in the seventies engineers at MIT coming up with injection units that could get 75-100 mpg on a Buick with a 455 V8. The oil companies bought the rights to those and shelved them. We could easily find ways out of this current situation, but the market would never allow it. Too much money to lose.
 
SG John said:
I'm not for Electric, only because of the destructive nature of lithium, cobalt, and nickel mining. And, because Electric vehicles are being designed as a "total loss" platform. With four moving wheels, improvements in stator design could easily yield self generation of electricity with less dependency of plugging it into a fossil fuel derived energy source. But, that would not generate profits for fossil fuel companies, mineral extraction companies, etc., etc... I would rather see more advances in hydrogen, as it is a much cleaner source. Either way, humans will be involved. That is the problem. They will screw it all up in the name of greed. Doesn't matter nationality or party. Human stupidity is infinite. And if money is involved, we'll make sure the last molecule of oxygen is destroyed before giving up a chance to make a profit.

I remember in the seventies engineers at MIT coming up with injection units that could get 75-100 mpg on a Buick with a 455 V8. The oil companies bought the rights to those and shelved them. We could easily find ways out of this current situation, but the market would never allow it. Too much money to lose.
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My hat is tipped to you, Sir.
 
And for us. Both retired now. In my Honda I went from 50 miles a day going to and from work to barely a 100 miles a month after retiring on Oct. 2020. As in. Filled the tank just before my last day. It was end of January before I filled it again and that was only because I went and got the first vaccine.

So overall. Range really isn’t an issue. So far any traveling has been by air. So long distance in a car.
 
iblive said:
And for us. Both retired now. In my Honda I went from 50 miles a day going to and from work to barely a 100 miles a month after retiring on Oct. 2020. As in. Filled the tank just before my last day. It was end of January before I filled it again and that was only because I went and got the first vaccine.
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Dude!!!!

Today, i showed my daughter a gas receipt from December 2021, where i filled the Mustang @ Costco for $45.00.

Yesterday, i filled it for $96.00 @ Costco.

My wife's Honda gets high 30's, low 40's.
 
SG John said:
I'm not for Electric, only because of the destructive nature of lithium, cobalt, and nickel mining.
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I agree. That is a very legitimate and serious concern.

SG John said:
I would rather see more advances in hydrogen, as it is a much cleaner source.
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I agree here, too. As I intimated earlier, hydrogen could make the whole EV question moot. I'd love to see that explored more. I mean, the hydrogen fuel cell was first invented in 1838! That's right. One-hundred and eighty-four years ago! Some sources say 1842...but still...that's still a LONG time ago.

The first hydrogen fuel cell car was built in 1965 or '66.

SG John said:
Doesn't matter nationality or party. Human stupidity is infinite....
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And THAT is an immutable law of the universe!
 
SG John said:
I'm not for Electric, only because of the destructive nature of lithium, cobalt, and nickel mining. And, because Electric vehicles are being designed as a "total loss" platform. With four moving wheels, improvements in stator design could easily yield self generation of electricity with less dependency of plugging it into a fossil fuel derived energy source. But, that would not generate profits for fossil fuel companies, mineral extraction companies, etc., etc... I would rather see more advances in hydrogen, as it is a much cleaner source. Either way, humans will be involved. That is the problem. They will screw it all up in the name of greed. Doesn't matter nationality or party. Human stupidity is infinite. And if money is involved, we'll make sure the last molecule of oxygen is destroyed before giving up a chance to make a profit.

I remember in the seventies engineers at MIT coming up with injection units that could get 75-100 mpg on a Buick with a 455 V8. The oil companies bought the rights to those and shelved them. We could easily find ways out of this current situation, but the market would never allow it. Too much money to lose.
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I completely agree! That's what I was saying about the current battery choice for EVs: the god awful lithium ion design. Perfect for small applications and terrible for large scale usage. We are currently near the point of mining all of the easily accessible lithium reserves in the world and will have to resort to deeper and far costlier mining to keep up with demand, thus both screwing up the environment by extraction and increasing the cost of said vehicle.

And unfortunately, lithium/cobalt and nickel are not renewable resources. While we have a massive amount of cobalt and nickel in the earth, we don't have that much lithium to meet the demand and the current estimates have us reaching a production standstill by 2030. Compound that with the fact that lithium mining requires the use of a LOT of water, it becomes an issue in countries that have the resource but not the means ( i.e African and Central Asian land areas). Also it doesn't help that China currently makes up 70-80% of the world's largest lithium reserves and will no doubt begin to consolidate their reserves with other producing nations, thus creating an OPEC MkII and placing the globe in a stranglehold.

Solution? Move forward with Hydrogen designs and seek out a newer, more sustainable battery concept that doesn't use Lithium. We know well we have the technology and means to do this but yeah, big companies are gonna put their fingers in the pie and find a way to monopolize the means
 
Clockworkmike said:
I completely agree! That's what I was saying about the current battery choice for EVs: the god awful lithium ion design. Perfect for small applications and terrible for large scale usage. We are currently near the point of mining all of the easily accessible lithium reserves in the world and will have to resort to deeper and far costlier mining to keep up with demand, thus both screwing up the environment by extraction and increasing the cost of said vehicle.

And unfortunately, lithium/cobalt and nickel are not renewable resources. While we have a massive amount of cobalt and nickel in the earth, we don't have that much lithium to meet the demand and the current estimates have us reaching a production standstill by 2030. Compound that with the fact that lithium mining requires the use of a LOT of water, it becomes an issue in countries that have the resource but not the means ( i.e African and Central Asian land areas). Also it doesn't help that China currently makes up 70-80% of the world's largest lithium reserves and will no doubt begin to consolidate their reserves with other producing nations, thus creating an OPEC MkII and placing the globe in a stranglehold.

Solution? Move forward with Hydrogen designs and seek out a newer, more sustainable battery concept that doesn't use Lithium. We know well we have the technology and means to do this but yeah, big companies are gonna put their fingers in the pie and find a way to monopolize the means
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Alcohol burns clean, but it takes twice as much as gasoline to produce the same amount of heat energy.

Hydrogen is much more efficient, but i believe they will raise the cost of it to astronomical levels.
 
Inspector #20 said:
Alcohol burns clean, but it takes twice as much as gasoline to produce the same amount of heat energy.

Hydrogen is much more efficient, but i believe they will raise the cost of it to astronomical levels.
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Probably so and who will begin to extract and produce the hydrogen? The same guys who already produce crude oil into gasoline. There will be the issue and how we get screwed in the end. You take the most abundant resource on planet Earth and monopolize it due to processing and you charge whatever you feel like.

Hopefully one day someone will crack the code like in Back to The Future II and make a nice lil Mr. Fusion nuclear extractor from general household waste like Banana peels but I ain't holding my breath lol
 
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Well I will sit back ,watch and here about the problems folks will have after they purchase those EVs , high cost repairs especially after the warranty's run out. I will not be a guinny pig for the rich. They have a long long way to go.
 
I used to drive 24,000 Kms a year, now since i retired, i am driving 6,000 a year. So my fuel consumption is quite low compared to many out there. My 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe is a sweetheart on fuel considering its larger size. At 120 kms an hour on long run i get 9.5 litres per 100 kms. which is 30 miles per gallon.
 
Inspector #20 said:
Alcohol burns clean, ...
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Well, let's say it burns clean-er. It does produce fewer straight-up pollutants than gasoline, but it still produces CO2 emissions from combustion and it's evaporative emissions still contribute to ground-level ozone and smog. There is also the production of the alcohol. Producing alcohol requires heat and the heat often comes from using fossil fuels. So, even if alcohol, itself, produces fewer pollutants, the very process of making alcohol can cause pollution.

There is also the question of using agricultural land on a mass scale to grow a crop to produce a fuel - land which could be used to produce a crop for direct human consumption as food.

The whole thing gets pretty tricky, doesn't it?
 
he year-to-date result of 1,571,714 is 15% below last year.


The numbers indicate that the Japanese manufacturer is struggling this year, and this includes also its overall electrified lineup.

Q3 results:

  • Toyota: 458,493 (down 23%)
  • Lexus: 67,524 (down 17%)
  • Total: 526,014 (down 7%)
Out of that, electrified vehicles (HEV, PHEV, BEV, FCEV) stand for a fifth of the total volume:

  • Toyota xEV: 96,674 (down 28%)
  • Lexus xEV: 15,270 (down 5%)
  • Total xEV: 111,944 (down 25%) and 21.3% of the total volume
Unfortunately, plug-in electric car sales are not only down, but the rate of decline is much higher. It's really disappointing.

  • Toyota plug-ins: 6,085 (down 56%) at 1.3% share
  • Lexus plug-ins: 1,066 (new) at 1.6% share
  • Total plug-ins: 7,151 (down 48%) and 1.4% of the total volume
    *FCEVs: 79 (down 88%)

Toyota and Lexus plug-in electric car sales in the US - Q3 2022​

 
Thatbastarddon said:
It appears that EVs are randomly incinerating themselves, and their surroundings, in the aftermath of the recent hurricane in Florida. IIRC, that ship full of cars that caught fire last year might have caught fire because of an exposure of moisture to an EV, or two, that were on board. I can’t imagine what kind of environmental impact the manufacturing needs of the EV industry will have in store for us as a species…
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