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I definitely would not use this JJ long plate on a typical Marshall cathode follower stage, which would be V2 in your amp. According to the 803S datasheet, the limiting value of cathode to heater voltage is 100v. Your amp will be close to 180v. If you want to stick with JJ's, then use the short plate 83S with a rating of 180v. The Sovtek 12AX7LPS (long plate, spiral filament) is rated for 200v. The EH 12AX7's cathode to heater voltage is rated at 200v too.
 
I definitely would not use this JJ long plate on a typical Marshall cathode follower stage, which would be V2 in your amp. According to the 803S datasheet, the limiting value of cathode to heater voltage is 100v. Your amp will be close to 180v. If you want to stick with JJ's, then use the short plate 83S with a rating of 180v. The Sovtek 12AX7LPS (long plate, spiral filament) is rated for 200v. The EH 12AX7's cathode to heater voltage is rated at 200v too.

Maybe EHX in all 3???
 
I definitely would not use this JJ long plate on a typical Marshall cathode follower stage, which would be V2 in your amp. According to the 803S datasheet, the limiting value of cathode to heater voltage is 100v. Your amp will be close to 180v. If you want to stick with JJ's, then use the short plate 83S with a rating of 180v. The Sovtek 12AX7LPS (long plate, spiral filament) is rated for 200v. The EH 12AX7's cathode to heater voltage is rated at 200v too.


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I definitely would not use this JJ long plate on a typical Marshall cathode follower stage, which would be V2 in your amp. According to the 803S datasheet, the limiting value of cathode to heater voltage is 100v. Your amp will be close to 180v. If you want to stick with JJ's, then use the short plate 83S with a rating of 180v. The Sovtek 12AX7LPS (long plate, spiral filament) is rated for 200v. The EH 12AX7's cathode to heater voltage is rated at 200v too.
I've used the the JJ ECC803S in the cathode follower position of several amps (not my own) after reading of it being recommended for this application on the Metroamp forum by the very knowledgeable & respected tech & designer/builder of "Larry Amps" in Germany, 2nd post on page 3 of this thread (member user-name novosibir).
Tung Sol Reissue 12AX7 not for CF stage !!! - Page 3 - Metropoulos Forum. I've not had one of these amps come back with premature failure of the tube, though that's not to say it hasn't happened.
Of note, looking at the datasheet posted, the EHX 12AX7 EH has a heater/cathode limiting value of negative 200V (negative 200V difference between filament & cathode), though only positive 100V (positive 100V difference between filament & cathode). I "think" I recall people on the Marshall forum mentioning using the EHX 12AX7 in all pre-amp positions successfully though. Cheers
 
Got an email from Mesa. All their current Mesa branded tubes are being supplied by JJ and the tubes with a "SP" prefix are supplied by TAD.
 
What I use from left to right V-1 Mullard V-2 Mullard V-3 Amperex Bugle Boy with a quad of Mullard XF-1 EL34
I don't know much about new production 12AX7 ECC83 but in my Marshall's see photo.

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Good information. Thanks for posting this!!!

Since I tend to run things really hard, we intentionally avoided rare and NOS tubes, and instead sought robust, quiet replacements of modern manufacturing.

Originally, we chose a trio of brand new, CV4004's, but they were noisy in several amps, so @syscokid began experiments to find tubes that produced a smooth gain structure and were quiet.

The noise was very clearly electrical in nature and not the typical "hiss" we expect from a high gain circuit. It was around 60Hz and so @syscokid began investigating and swapping tubes into different amps.

Here's what he sent to me about his discovery:

"Good news...
It was the effen preamp tubes. I guess the Genelex CV4004/ECC83 highly discriminates against this circuit. Swapped out V1 with a Mesa STR-12AX7-A and the drop in hum-buzz was huge. Swapped out V2 with an old Sovtek 12AX7-LPS, and that reduced the hum-buzz even further...."

He's really like a scientist with these things. I've sat across from him and listened to him explain how and why he does things and it's knowledge and passion on an otherworldly level.

The power tubes are the 6550's that came as standard equipment in most of the early Marshall's delivered to North America.

For preamp tubes, here's what he sent me:

"V1: TAD 7025 Highgrade. Super quiet. Plenty of balls. Crunches nice. Amp must be cranked!

V2: That fricking Mesa STR again. It works real good in V1, but it got beat out by the TAD.

V3: One of the GGL CV4004's. Noise won't rear it's ugly head here. It's a robust tube on paper. Everything sounds real good so far! Voltage difference between both plates was 9v. The other two Gens were around 4v..."

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When the Metropoulos FX Loop (not a knock off) was installed, there was a slight voltage drop, so @syscokid changed the drop resistors to bring the rail voltage back up to where it was before the loop went in.

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