nothing really matters..................
- Thread starter eSGEe
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I'm not going into the Fender MIC/MIM/USA debate. There are far too many variables that were not mentioned in the video.
My 2021 Gibson Les Paul 50's Standard Gold Top is extremely well made - otherworldly actually - and I believe it was well worth $2,908.00 out the door.
I took it out of the case and played a 4 hour live show with it. Zero issues.
It is totally above and beyond the level of my other 6 (brand new) entry level Gibson's...namely (3) 50's Tribute Les Paul's. (2) SG T Series and a (1) Les Paul Studio.
In terms of fit and finish, there is absolutely no comparison. Not even close.
In fact @Don O has an Epiphone Les Paul that has better fit and finish than my "entry level" USA Gibsons exhibited.
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eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
er uhm -- good job at turning a Fender thread into a GIbson Rant 
anyway
I see he is correct in the fender headstock says no where "MADE IN USA " currently ......
Now is Fender just being HONEST -- or following some new governed labeling protocol? SInce lets be honest rare FEW things are TRULY 100% M.I.USA anymore
Harleys
Fords
Chevys
all that rot are the SUM of foreign parts MOSTLY assembled in the USA (hmm like my Godin.....interesting) -- so I digress or regress or possibly INgress.
but ....
wheres the confounded bridge! ?
anyway
I see he is correct in the fender headstock says no where "MADE IN USA " currently ......
nothing really matters..................
www.thetonerooms.com
Now is Fender just being HONEST -- or following some new governed labeling protocol? SInce lets be honest rare FEW things are TRULY 100% M.I.USA anymore
Harleys
Fords
Chevys
all that rot are the SUM of foreign parts MOSTLY assembled in the USA (hmm like my Godin.....interesting) -- so I digress or regress or possibly INgress.
but ....
wheres the confounded bridge! ?
My 2010 Camaro was assembled in Canada….er uhm -- good job at turning a Fender thread into a GIbson Rant
anyway
I see he is correct in the fender headstock says no where "MADE IN USA " currently ......
nothing really matters..................
www.thetonerooms.com
Now is Fender just being HONEST -- or following some new governed labeling protocol? SInce lets be honest rare FEW things are TRULY 100% M.I.USA anymore
Harleys
Fords
Chevys
all that rot are the SUM of foreign parts MOSTLY assembled in the USA (hmm like my Godin.....interesting) -- so I digress or regress or possibly INgress.
but ....
wheres the confounded bridge! ?
Sapient
Ambassador of Vocal Inspiration
Oh Gawd. Please tell me at least this is not true.
Just kidding Canadian fella's.
I don't put too much faith in systematic trust these days. Companies will tell us what they want and what they can get away with. Sometimes they don't even care if they can get away with it. They will just double down and say live with it.
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My new amp is made in Grover Beach, California.
dmatthews
Ambassador of Birds
My 2011 Toyota Venza was assembled in Kentucky.
LiveeviL2000
Ambassador of Pentagonal Pentatonics
egress would have been your next word. As in most things that were made here that meant anything egressed to another low labor cost area of the world. Made in USA meant something back when we built great things. What can the US brag about making.
Budweiser beer, Jack Daniel’s, Hershey chocolate, Crayola Crayons, and Harley Davidson Motorcyles.
Essentially we make drunk, fat, colorful bikers.
LiveeviL2000
Ambassador of Pentagonal Pentatonics
Sorry. That not the US. That’s really another world.
Nice amp
It is, kind of, isn't it??
chilipeppermaniac
Ambassador of Decibels
Adrian,er uhm -- good job at turning a Fender thread into a GIbson Rant
anyway
I see he is correct in the fender headstock says no where "MADE IN USA " currently ......
nothing really matters..................
www.thetonerooms.com
Now is Fender just being HONEST -- or following some new governed labeling protocol? SInce lets be honest rare FEW things are TRULY 100% M.I.USA anymore
Harleys
Fords
Chevys
all that rot are the SUM of foreign parts MOSTLY assembled in the USA (hmm like my Godin.....interesting) -- so I digress or regress or possibly INgress.
but ....
wheres the confounded bridge! ?
I did not care one iota that my 3/4 ton FORD F250 4x4 from 1988 was made in that crazy country called Canada. It has done me incredibly well, despite acquiring it with around 130k miles and putting another 200+ k on it. It has some warts that develop after 30+ years of driving and doing heavy heavy heavy work numerous even survived and evasive stroke of lucky driving on my part and divine intervention. Every time I go past the intersection where a certain crash and heavy fines, and financial reparations levied upon me would have occurred, I thank God that the adjacent parking lot provided a clear path, free of parked cars at precisely the moment I needed to squeeze my rig through to safety.
Needless to say, " nothing else matters" after that. Oh and the funniest parts of the story. I go to return my buddy's trailer I borrowed and I say to him, " I don't think your trailer brakes were working." He then said, " oh yeah, I forgot to tell you"
If you guys had seen the baloney skin tires I was already driving on in my truck, you would know the tense feelings I was already sensing in navigating that super heavy load home in downpours and through hills and valleys which often maxed my truck's rpm load. I would get a run for it on downhills and at a few times almost need to get as far down as First gear through the manual transmission just to make it up the grade. My ride into town was the scariest portion of the ride, despite traveling at approximately 15-20 mph max, I knew I was in for a make or break scenario if the light turned red on me, which it did of course as I descended the hill approaching that main intersection.
The only other time I was in a similar precarious vehicular story was another trip into the other side of this same town in Pennsylvania. I had gone to get to get a load of about 9+ tons of gravel in my friend's dump truck but needed fuel on the way home. I had it parked at the gas station in this little town, and as was the nature of this truck, Manual trans, International with Split rear,etc. The braking would not max squeeze unless the engine was running and the vacuum builds up in the brake booster. MY OMG moment came when I pushed in the brake and clutch and turned the key, only to have the key break off in the ignition as the truck failed to start. Now, I am there pressing as hard as I could on the brake with visions of me and truck rolling backwards and making the local news due to loss of control and crashing rearward through the Post Office across the street. All the while, trying to figure out HOW am I going to turn the nub of that key to get the truck started. To this day I still don't remember how I did it. I think I might have found a pair of pliers my buddy had somewhere in the truck or else I put my best gorilla grip fingers on it to turn. Either way, I fired it up and made it home, thankfully.
To quote Ramo's Favorite band.
chilipeppermaniac
Ambassador of Decibels
HAHA Robert. Sysco is definitely from another world. He did heavenly things to my TS9
67plexi
Ambassador of Amps
Should be interesting when China cuts off the USA from product
To be honest the last new guitars I bought were made in Poland and the Czech Republic both guitars were flawless didn't have to
adjust anything 100% they stay in tune and don't brake strings the Peavey HP2 was made from 30 year old NOS wood and the Mayones
guitar they called it master grade wood a up charge from the regular production wood.
To be honest the last new guitars I bought were made in Poland and the Czech Republic both guitars were flawless didn't have to
adjust anything 100% they stay in tune and don't brake strings the Peavey HP2 was made from 30 year old NOS wood and the Mayones
guitar they called it master grade wood a up charge from the regular production wood.
fretless
Well-Known Member
Workin' them angels overtime?!? Glad you weren't hurt...or worse!
Oshawa, Ontario.Oh Gawd. Please tell me at least this is not true.
Just kidding Canadian fella's.
I don't put too much faith in systematic trust these days. Companies will tell us what they want and what they can get away with. Sometimes they don't even care if they can get away with it. They will just double down and say live with it.
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OP
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
not all 100% of them Harley parts are USA......... (and the hate mail will begin in 3, 2, ........)
Budweiser ............well sorta but .................
The original Anheuser-Busch InBev (AB InBev) was formed through successive mergers of three international brewing groups: Interbrew from Belgium, AmBev from Brazil and Anheuser-Busch. Hence, since 2008, Anheuser-Busch has been a division of Anheuser-Busch InBev SA/NV, now the world's largest brewing company.[9]
The company employs over 30,000 people, operates 12 breweries in the United States,[2] and until December 2009, was one of the largest theme park operators in the United States, with ten theme parks through the company's family entertainment division, Busch Entertainment Corporation.[10]
HErshey---yep no outside influences or buy outs USA co.
Jack Daniels --owned by Brown-Forman... still an American Co. so ALL GOOD
Brown-Forman - Wikipedia
Clockworkmike
Ambassador of STACKS in WV SHACKS
Right next door in Buffalo, WV ( about 90 mins from me), the engines for the Toyota Corolla, RAV4, i4 turbo and transmissions for the Avalon, Highlander, Camry, Lexus ES and Toyota's Hybrid HSD Generator are all built.
So not much Japanese lol
chilipeppermaniac
Ambassador of Decibels
Thank you bro fretless.
Yup not hurt, I still feel almost every second of the apprehension of my truck and trailer incident as I approached the downhill into the town of New Freedom Pennsylvania with likely 22 feet of truck, 35 feet of trailer and lumber extending off the back, as I did my best Tokyo Drift maneuver through that bank parking lot to evade certain collision once the trailer began pushing my truck past traction and braking control. It is a good thing I grew up driving in snow, and God kept me safe, despite the less than ideal circumstances.
What does your 2021 Gibson Les Paul 50's Standard Gold Top allow you to do that your other six Gibsons did not allow you to do? Is the only issue that they required more setup before use? I know you've probably posted about all this, but I'm not recalling.