The amount of difference you hear is likely to be influenced a lot by the speaker, itself.
You’re likely to hear more of a difference with some speakers than others.
Beam Blockers: Yay or Nay From Experience:
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The amount of difference you hear is likely to be influenced a lot by the speaker, itself.
You’re likely to hear more of a difference with some speakers than others.
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What about the German Defflexx(spelling?) system, as an aside Robert, i've read loads of your posts & your obviously a few rungs up the ladder from me 
, but i'm surprised your using 70/80's, even to my old & deaf ears i changed them out straightaway in a couple of Marshalls, they might be why you're thinking about beam blockers 
, also i've never used them.
, but i'm surprised your using 70/80's, even to my old & deaf ears i changed them out straightaway in a couple of Marshalls, they might be why you're thinking about beam blockers , also i've never used them.
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What about the German Defflexx(spelling?) system, as an aside Robert, i've read loads of your posts & your obviously a few rungs up the ladder from me
Funny thing...I like my speakers to deliver clarity at stage volumes. Many folks seem to like to hear the speakers "break up," because this phrase appears over and over again online, as does the "midrange spike" in the Vintage 30's...but "break up" is distortion and a general lack of clarity.
I also discovered that I don't like a speaker that "colors" or adds elements to the sound. I want the speaker to just amplify/project without any bias.
The 70/80 seems to handle the high gain settings with greater clarity, and it's kinda what it was designed to do???
I should have used them a long time ago before spending $325.00 on a pair of "better" Jensen Neodymiums and $160.00 on a custom 50watt, WGS Reaper 55Hz...LOL
Anyways, I figured this was a good thing to add here, @old rocker, I'm a huge Doug Aldrich fan and his go-to speaker is the 25 watt Greenback. Also, Robbin Crosby of Ratt also favored the 25 watt Greenbacks.
For me, I want more speaker power handling capability than I need because I run the rig really, really loud, so in my 50 watt rig, I would never run less than a 50 watt speaker.
Before I threw in the 70/80's, I was running a 100watt Jensen Neodymium and a 80watt Jensen Jet Stealth, both made in Italy. I played over 200 shows with those speakers and they held up nicely.
I felt like the 70/80 had more clarity at high gain and resonance settings and they just handled the low frequency response with out getting loose.
Try a palm-muted F# with the master volume around 7-8 if you wanna check speakers for break up...
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They were new in the box, given to me by Weber and just gathering dust, so I figured I would use them.
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No doubt, some testing is needed...
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That was my fault...
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I agree the EVM-12 is a great speaker, but I'm not comfortable with the weight.
My all mahogany, finger-joint 2x12 with a pair of 70/80's only weighs 32 pounds. I am loading and unloading this myself.
When I had a WGS Reaper 55Hz in my DSL40C's, those amps weighed about 60 pounds each and it was really tough lugging them around.
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I am still in good physical shape at 55, but I was loading a pair of DSL40C's into a Mustang (on in the trunk and the other along the folded rear seat) 5 nights a week, so downsizing seemed smart.
Which Neo Jensen did you prefer???
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They have a Neo version too, which is probably where I will go once the bathroom remodels are done....but for now,
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They have a Neo version too, which is probably where I will go once the bathroom remodels are done....but for now, I'll run these 70/80's....
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The one I have is the 12 inch, 100 watt, 16 ohm Jensen Jet Tornado Neodymium
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Let me know if u think that 100watt Jensen would work for you.
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The band is actually outside projecting in.
I find that my sound really doesn't change much only the volume levels
It's a chemical reaction.
Egyptian slave labor they say...
Three..
I don’t like speaker breakup, either. If I’m going to have any distortion, I want it to come from pedals and or overdriving the amp, itself.
I don’t mind a speaker coloring the sound, though.
But, if you want a truly neutral speaker, you should look into FRFR speakers. Most people don’t think of using these for guitar amps, as they are usually looking to marry the speaker tonality with the amp’s. But, FRFR speakers are designed to be as transparent to the tone as possible.
You’ll often see them used when amplifying a processor, such as a Helix or Axe FX. They will be paired with an FRFR amplifier. The goal is to not affect the tonality of the patches in the processor.
But, there’s no rule that says you can’t try them with a regular guitar amp. You just gotta be sure to select one with appropriate power handling and impedance rating, like you’d have to do, anyway.
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For now, I think the free 70/80's (I've owned both since brand new in two DSL40C's) will do fine. Future plans will likely include a pair of 150watt Texas Heat Neodymiums (4 pounds each)
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100% agree!!!!
See, this kinda bugs me. If a speaker is mid-focused (like the Celestion Vintage 30) then I cannot use my mid EQ's in the manner that I want too. My sonic choices are kinda limited by the speaker. I've done speaker swaps for people and the Vintage 30 is the most hyped speaker ever. In many cases, when I have installed them, the player has to roll off a lot of mid because the speaker seems to focus on this area. However, the mix between high, low and mid is not the same (when the speaker is influencing that spectrum) as being able to run almost neutral EQ settings and then dialing/balancing a tone that blends all three frequency ranges.
I've installed Creambacks that literally sounded muffled and the player loved them because it sounded different. In the bedroom, a dark speaker is not a big deal, but in a 45' x 100' foot venue with a 30' ceiling and 125 patrons, its a big deal because you will not be heard in the mix, so choices are relative I suppose....
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Ok,
I've tried theses Beam Blockers and they do indeed cut down on the 'beaming' effect from the speakers, but with the new Celestion Copperback 250watt Neodymium's, the beaming issue is nowhere near as bad as it was with Celestion Creambacks, Goldbacks, and Vintage 30's that I experimented with. The Copperbacks are much fuller and less focused in terms of shooting a beam of sound out in a stream. Also, my EQ's are no longer maxxed out like they were with the lesser (although popular) Celestion models.
Here's my previos amp settings when using Celestion Creamback, Goldback and Vintage 30's that I borrowed for testing from a colleague.
Here's my settings from yesterday's shakedown run:
Even after the Headfirst/Ivanberg Modifications, the Creamback/Goldback/Vintage 30's still required slamming the EQ's to get anything even remotely near a decent tone, and like many speakers that are chosen for "growl" (which is inefficient cone distortion) and because they offer "spikes" in the audio spectrum, it's to be expected.
I'm gonna offer these Beam Blockers to anyone who wants to try the pair of them for the price of shipping.
PM for details...
I've tried theses Beam Blockers and they do indeed cut down on the 'beaming' effect from the speakers, but with the new Celestion Copperback 250watt Neodymium's, the beaming issue is nowhere near as bad as it was with Celestion Creambacks, Goldbacks, and Vintage 30's that I experimented with. The Copperbacks are much fuller and less focused in terms of shooting a beam of sound out in a stream. Also, my EQ's are no longer maxxed out like they were with the lesser (although popular) Celestion models.
Here's my previos amp settings when using Celestion Creamback, Goldback and Vintage 30's that I borrowed for testing from a colleague.
Here's my settings from yesterday's shakedown run:
Even after the Headfirst/Ivanberg Modifications, the Creamback/Goldback/Vintage 30's still required slamming the EQ's to get anything even remotely near a decent tone, and like many speakers that are chosen for "growl" (which is inefficient cone distortion) and because they offer "spikes" in the audio spectrum, it's to be expected.
I'm gonna offer these Beam Blockers to anyone who wants to try the pair of them for the price of shipping.
PM for details...