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Kemper > Channel 9/10 on SC > USB out from SC > computer >Reaper
Clipping
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Yep, early to mid yellow only. You taught me well!
BTW, the Kemper is NOT clipping. It has green or red meter lights for your input signal to let you know that. Also, in case anyone though of this, phantom power was never on.
EDIT - This appears to be a compression issue
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No, that was the primary suspect from last night. It was the first thing I shut before beginning the testing today. Shutting t did reduce the clipping. The, shutting the Kemper noise gate (no reason it should have even been on) helped a little more. But there was still a flat wave form when I strummed hard, even with the channel gain on zero and all pedals and Kemper effects off.
I need to research compression from the Kemper. I am going to look at my Kemper out hookups and see if changing the output connection (I think there are options) will help
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OK, so I WAS using XLR left out from the Kemper to XLR input on SC channel 9/10. I now used 2 TS cables from Kemper left and right to S/C channel 9/10 (I could have used 1 cable from Kemper main left TS output, but I wanted to stick with channel 9/10 for this experiment, which is a stereo channel). Channel gain needed to be at 40% to get matching level. Waveform is below and not compressed. Minimal clipping at highest peaks - and based on the waveform and metering, it bothers me that there is any clipping at all.
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I use the TS outputs to go to the patch panel and then out to the monitors for stereo play.
The XLR out of the Kemper is super hot, at least on my unit. Now we know! I will do more research and report back if I find anything to the contrary
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Also, @Thatbastarddon thank you for the assistance. Without the knowledge that compression can cause clipping even when the signal is within limits, I would still be at "go" on this issue!
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Oh, and you also identified the compression in the first place! Now I know what I am seeing a little betterHahahahaha! They don’t call it “hard knee” compression for nothing!No really…
Yes!!! Much yes! A learning experience! I learned about this type of thing from some crappy mic’s that couldn’t handle the SPLs I needed, and some crappy rack mounted, cheap, compressors….the two experiences were separate…but ended with the same style of Wav forms. I remember it so well.
I'm glad that you had the experience….and were able to learn from it.
Sunny side up!
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Here is info that I have located so far regarding attenuating the output signal
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Master output too hot - Kemper Profiler Forum
I was reading this old thread: Output Volume - HOT HOT HOT [URL:https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?thread/11221-output-volume-hot-hot-hot/] Why was this closed? Seemed like a good debate was developing and it was interesting, then it cuts…
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Output Volume - HOT HOT HOT - Kemper Profiler Forum
I had a gig tonight and once again the sound man told me that my output was very hot. I do run my profiles quite high in terms of the cab volume etc... but the master out on the Kemper was at about 4-5%. I physically couldnt turn it down any more ....…
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Output volume too loud? - Kemper Profiler Forum
Hi Guys, during soundchecks I always have the sound engineer saying that my kemper output is too loud. Even at -20db! I usually have my Kemper going to FOH through main output. Am I doing something wrong?
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I can't add anything to the conversation, but I am learning. Thank you gentlemen.
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Another helpful thread from the official Kemper forum. I have going to assume this also relates to the apparent compression problem for now
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Yep….some of the answer seems to be right there. The Kemper XLR is putting out a line level signal. The Soundcraft XLR inputs expect to see a microphone level…while the 1/4 inch inputs on the Soundcraft expect to see line level. There’s a bit of a difference there.Output volume too loud? - Kemper Profiler Forum
Hi Guys, during soundchecks I always have the sound engineer saying that my kemper output is too loud. Even at -20db! I usually have my Kemper going to FOH through main output. Am I doing something wrong?KEMPER PROFILER Specifications
Technical details of the KEMPER PROFILER and KEMPER Kabinet products
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So, I using the left XLR output, I adjusted the Main Output (set to mono since I am only using one XLR, and this is guitar) and set the volume to about -20dB with the channel gain at about 12dB, just off the minimum (FYI - I have been referring to "zero" channel gain, but that was inaccurate - the Soundcraft goes from 10dB to 60dB). Compressor and noise gate were off. This was a very workable spot. The arrow shown below is how you access these settings in Rig Manager.
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Here are the Soundcraft settings for this test
Once again, thanks for helping me figure this out!
e Here are the Soundcraft settings for this test
Once again, thanks for helping me figure this out!
I have a few of these, from the old days- before I had anything with an onboard pad, for knocking down line level sources….
MPD Specification
The MPD inline attenuator can be configured as 12dB, 18dB, or 24dB microphone level pads, a 12dB line matching pad (+4dBu to -10dBV), a 18dB or 24dB line-level pad, a 40dB line to mic level pad, a …
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