And there's a dimmer switch on the lights in the room too.![]()
and no other guitars are affected in this space...even my students Epiphone....and the Gold Top makes the same noise in two separate studios running different amps and cables...
And there's a dimmer switch on the lights in the room too.![]()
The quietest pickups I have are uncovered, the Duncan Distortions in my Jackson Soloist, & they are really hot pickups. The guitar is shielded with paint from the factory but the coils are fully exposed on the bridge pickup & about 1/2 exposed on the neck. Go figure. CheersI am going to say this about the covered/uncoverd argument-------- I have uncovered Gibson Zebras. (SG)--- and an uncovered DEAN Zebra Pup (Epiphone Spirit)---and the Spirit is dead quiet----- the SG -- not even close. its AS LOUD as my P90 SG jr.
The quietest pickups I have are uncovered, the Duncan Distortions in my Jackson Soloist, & they are really hot pickups. The guitar is shielded with paint from the factory but the coils are fully exposed on the bridge pickup & about 1/2 exposed on the neck. Go figure. Cheers
All wiring is done with shielded leads & anywhere the center conductor exits the braided shield, like to connect to pots, switch or jack, the exposed center conductor is kept as short as possible, less than a centimeter sortta thing. Really quite impressive for an Indonesian guitar. CheersAll the Jacko's seem really quiet....
All wiring is done with shielded leads & anywhere the center conductor exits the braided shield, like to connect to pots, switch or jack, the exposed center conductor is kept as short as possible, less than a centimeter sortta thing. Really quite impressive for an Indonesian guitar. Cheers
Ok,
Many of you will recall the constant buzzing I encountered in my 2016 Gibson SG that got worse if you touched the pickups. This noise anomaly remained through 3 sets of Gibson pickups - two pairs of 490R/490T and a set of brand new Gibson '57 Classics. No matter what I changed, amplifiers, locations, power supplies or cables, the noise persisted. So, I removed the Gibson PCB and replaced it with the Tone Man Vintage Wire harness and again tried all 3 sets of Gibson pickups. The noise issue was unchanged.
So, I threw in a set of GFS Classic II PAF Clones (7.93k bridge and 7.8k neck) and the noise disappeared completely. How can three sets of Gibson pickups in a row be bad that were all wound on different dates???
Ok...
I just bought a 2016 Gibson Les Paul 50's Tribute...and it displays the exact same noise anomalies that I fought for 8 months in my 2016 Gibson SG - a noise anomaly that I could not get rid of until I got rid of the Gibson pickups.
Here is a comparison video I just made. This is not my imagination, neither is it an OCD over-exaggeration of normal floor noise. If you are working in a recording environment, or playing live at elevated volume levels, this is a killer:
Ok, fellows, so how then is it possible to get two "bad" Gibson guitars in a row and (4) different sets of Gibson pickups that react exactly the same, even through different amplifiers, different locations and different cables???
Interesting!!!!!
What amp did you use Smitty????
I tried this on three of my guitars. I used my 2007 Les Paul Custom, which has covered 498T/490R pickups. I used my 2014 SG, which has covered 57 Classics. And, I used my Jackson, which has uncovered Seymour Duncan JB/Jazz pickups.
When I went to touch the pickups with my thumb and finger as you did in the video, not a single one of the above pickups demonstrated increased noise, as your video depicts. I tried it both while touching the strings with my other hand, and without touching any other metal part.
This, of course is not a solution, but it does provide an additional data set.
Let me just throw in a thought about covers. True, many non-covered pickups do not exhibit the noise Robert has recorded. However, we cannot conclude from that observation that covers make no difference. Unless I've missed a post stating otherwise, I haven't seen anyone post that their covered pickups DO exhibit this noise anomaly. All I've seen is that some (including me) have stated that their UNcovered pickups do NOT have this noise issue.
It's entirely possible that if I removed the covers from my 498T, 490R, and 57 Classics that I'd get the same, or similar, issues as Robert is experiencing. (No, Robert. I love ya, man, but I am not going to remove the covers from my pickups just to find out!)
Robert, have you considered just buying covers and putting them on the pickups? It's the easiest possible fix. Just a drop of solder on each side of the cover is all that's necessary to secure it to the pickup base plate.
I realize you're going to have a tech look at it, but it's just a thought.
Hey, Smitty....
I thought about precisely what you are saying....but, my brand new Gibson 57 Classics, and the 2017 490R/490T's (11/09/16 wind dates) were covered and exhibited the exact same noise characteristics,
I worked at the studio a couple of hours this morning. I took the Gold Top and had a colleague listen to it. He immediately said, "Oh, wow, you got a broken ground lead on the bridge pickup. see it all the time on Gibsons..."
Maybe from shipment????
Well...so much for that theory! Interesting information. Thanks, Robert.
From shipment? Not likely.
If it's any consolation, in looking up info on your pickups, the opinions on Gibson pickups are all over the map (though not necessarily due to noise issues).
Though they have accomplished some innovations in regards to pickups, the third-party sources, such as Seymour Duncan and DiMarzio seem to generally have more positive opinions. Of course, some of this could be the due to the fact that Gibson-bashing is always a popular spectator sport. But, even the early PAFs were inconsistent.
Generally, I'm satisfied with the 57 Classics in my SG and the 489T/490R pickups in my LPC. But, I'll probably use Seymour Duncans in my Studio project. I trust a pickup company to make good pickups more than I trust a guitar company to make good pickups. That sounds weird, but I don't really see Gibson as pickup experts. I see them as guitar builders.
Even so, this gold-top of yours is a brand new guitar. You have the leverage to push back a little. Don't read the riot act to the Gibson guy you've been dealing with. He's trying to help. But, I'll tell you. Even from the stand point of a gigger, not a studio guy, I'd not use a guitar that started to buzz and hum just because I moved my hand close to the p'ups. If I really liked the guitar, I'd swap pickups. But, admittedly, that's a little silly for a guitar that retails for a few thousand dollars.
My rudimentary guitar skills dont require such scrutiny hahahahaha. Id set it to my liking and well i could get some good Neil Young out of it.![]()