Counterfeit Guitars seized

I wonder if they are actual counterfeits? Has someone put in all the time needed to make them look and feel like the real deal, or are they just the standard Chinese lookalikes with a poorly faked headstock logo?
Do we need to define “counterfeit” here? Do these guitars have manufacturers nameplates, maker’s marks, or logos printed upon them to deceive prospective purchasers in to thinking that they are products that are genuinely made by a company(or companies) that have built a reputation (positive or negative) upon their own “sweat equity” in the world market?
 
I wonder if they are actual counterfeits? Has someone put in all the time needed to make them look and feel like the real deal, or are they just the standard Chinese lookalikes with a poorly faked headstock logo?


This is the main question. BUT I suspect the seizure may have been based on evidence that a falsehood for profit was the reason all of these were produced, addressed for distribution in 21 US states and several foreign countries, all while being presented as the real deal.

I do not think it was just some guy with a hobby who got on Amazon and ordered a couple dozen necks, bodies, electronics etc and built these in his garage and decided to sell them off as home built versions of the Real Deals.
 
Do we need to define “counterfeit” here? Do these guitars have manufacturers nameplates, maker’s marks, or logos printed upon them to deceive prospective purchasers in to thinking that they are products that are genuinely made by a company(or companies) that have built a reputation (positive or negative) upon their own “sweat equity” in the world market?
From a legal point of view they are counterfeit if there is a fake logo on them, so from that point of view it doesn't really matter how good they are.

From a potential buyer's perspective the difference is important though. The article states:

"After further investigation it was concluded that the collection had 27 Gibson, six Fender, two CF Martin and one Paul Reed Smith guitars that were allegedly autographed and played by famous musicians"

Autographed and played by... That's some pretty serious counterfeiting there, but I assume they mean signature models.

"The highest valued item in the bunch was a Gibson Ace Frehley that was set at a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $9,000"

Up until now it's been easy to spot the fakes but if they are now making convincing counterfeits that both look and feel like the real deal, it's a gamechanger for all of us. Would the seized Ace Frehely mentioned above be so indistinguishable from the real thing that it would actually sell for 9 grand if hung on a wall at GC? If that is the case we're seeing a whole new level (and quality) of fake guitars.

It could of course also be that the article over inflates the story and that it is the regular run of the mill, poorly executed fakes with slapped on logos. As someone who buys a guitar from time to time I'd be interested to know.
 
From a legal point of view they are counterfeit if there is a fake logo on them, so from that point of view it doesn't really matter how good they are.

From a potential buyer's perspective the difference is important though. The article states:

"After further investigation it was concluded that the collection had 27 Gibson, six Fender, two CF Martin and one Paul Reed Smith guitars that were allegedly autographed and played by famous musicians"

Autographed and played by... That's some pretty serious counterfeiting there, but I assume they mean signature models.

"The highest valued item in the bunch was a Gibson Ace Frehley that was set at a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $9,000"

Up until now it's been easy to spot the fakes but if they are now making convincing counterfeits that both look and feel like the real deal, it's a gamechanger for all of us. Would the seized Ace Frehely mentioned above be so indistinguishable from the real thing that it would actually sell for 9 grand if hung on a wall at GC? If that is the case we're seeing a whole new level (and quality) of fake guitars.

It could of course also be that the article over inflates the story and that it is the regular run of the mill, poorly executed fakes with slapped on logos. As someone who buys a guitar from time to time I'd be interested to know.
There’s where we will differ...to me, a poor counterfeit is still a counterfeit. It doesn’t matter to me how egregious looking the subject is to my eyes...educated or not...if it has someone else’s name on it...it is fake/counterfeit...to me.
That‘s cool and all...unless it’s “my” maker’s mark. I don’t care how fake your fake is....it had better not have my name on it... ;) if it’s f’n fake.
 
There’s where we will differ...to me, a poor counterfeit is still a counterfeit. It doesn’t matter to me how egregious looking the subject is to my eyes...educated or not...if it has someone else’s name on it...it is fake/counterfeit...to me.
That‘s cool and all...unless it’s “my” maker’s mark. I don’t care how fake your fake is....it had better not have my name on it... ;) if it’s f’n fake.
No, I completely agree with you. My point is that if the counterfeits have become that good, none of us is safe. Up until now they've been easy to spot and I wonder if that is changing. Does this mean that I can no longer trust ny eyes when I buy a guitar?
 
Then you get the real funny case that I learned about only because certain folks had " copies" of a certain model of Gibson made for themselves.

In the discussion, out came a fact I had no idea had happened. It is said that the SLASH Les Paul, ( and here is where the funny part comes) Gibson now makes Signature Slash Les Paul based on his famous " Appetite For Destructon LP" ( correct me if I got this wrong) The FUNNY part is That Appetite LP was a "Copy" of a Les Paul and not an actual Gibson LP.

 
If Axle Rose was the singer (and he was) I'm not interested.
More like repulsed than interested.
I can't stand his voice (screeching wounded owl in the wilderness)...
I could care less what guitar Slash played. I don't want to hear any song with that God -awful voice.
But I can definitely understand why Slash would run away from Axel Rose. (eegadds!~)

It would be nice to have close up pictures, to learn how to identify the fakes....
but from here, they all look real.
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So they seized 36 guitars...but missed the other 36,000 that already came through from China.
Im gonna wager they missed about 360,000 dude or more --- & they are still selling em on ebay as we speak ........and alibaba and all the other import websellers

Its like when 72 D.E.A. agents busts 1 van full of weed and they pose with their BOOTY and claim how AMAZING they are.......and how safe the world is this DANGEROUS DRUG is off the street.......when an oil tanker load of "coke" just hit the ground 10 miles form their photo op .......

yes WELL DONE Dick Tracey 36 ............ you should get a Medal of HONOR! OR at least free coffee at Circle K -- oh wait........
BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
 
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the guitars are being copied in the China Epiphone factory...it must be. The only place that has the resources.
I doubt that. The Epiphone factory is legit.

China is a huge country with 1/4 of the earths population, a massive modern industrial infrastructure, and all the natural and economic resources they need. It would not be difficult at all to have a factory, or factories, larger than the epiphone factory churning these things out by the thousands.
 
Here's two, turned loose on an unsuspecting public, that have evaded customs.
And the flippers are trying to double their "investment" right off the bat with B.S. stories.
Clearly informing that they are indeed copies, but who knows what the next person will do...


 
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