Counterfeit Guitars seized

Astral Traveler said:
No, I completely agree with you. My point is that if the counterfeits have become that good, none of us is safe. Up until now they've been easy to spot and I wonder if that is changing. Does this mean that I can no longer trust ny eyes when I buy a guitar?
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Its always buyer beware, when you are purchasing from public, There are many fake goods out there, also including guitar strings, Like Robert said buy from a reputable dealer problem solved.
 
Session 5 said:
Gball said

I can totally understand something not working for you. For example, I have never met a Telecaster that I could find a way to get along with despite them being a huge crowd favorite. And building something to your own specs is always a great way to get just to where you want.


I didn't either until, i got what i wanted..



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I'm really a bad example, because I am not the typical guitar player who is really impassioned about the instrument. The guitar is a necessary daily tool to earn a living and my goals are to have the best tool possible, so it's not based on the usual norms in the guitar industry...
 
Robert Herndon said:
Some Gibson's are probably really great guitars. But, I see an alarming trend where the problems with Gibson's are tolerated for the sake of the name on the headstock, and I would caution against that type of instrument worship.
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I have owned 8 Gibsons in my life, from different eras ('70s, '80s and '90s). Every one of them had some sort of defect. I was younger then, and just accepted it as "the way it is". I will no longer accept that kind of crappy quality when I can get far less expensive guitars that are, for all intents and purposes, nearly flawless.
 
I have gotten counterfeit product from dealers Belton octal tube sockets sealed box of 50 they look real
but under load shorted out between the pins.
My Mayones Hydra seven string guitar made in Poland was held up in customs until I paid DHS 3.5% tax
When I registered the warranty Mayones asked me not to post photos of serial numbers on the internet
 
67plexi said:
I have gotten counterfeit product from dealers Belton octal tube sockets sealed box of 50 they look real
but under load shorted out between the pins.
My Mayones Hydra seven string guitar made in Poland was held up in customs until I paid DHS 3.5% tax
When I registered the warranty Mayones asked me not to post photos of serial numbers on the internet
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The Chinese are counterfeiting almost everything. Cliff jack sockets, Braun electric razors, Hako soldering stations, guitar strings, even down to guitar plectrums. The list is almost endless. It amazes me (& pisses me off) that the rest of the world just accepts China doing this. Cheers
 
ivan H said:
The Chinese are counterfeiting almost everything. Cliff jack sockets, Braun electric razors, Hako soldering stations, guitar strings, even down to guitar plectrums. The list is almost endless. It amazes me (& pisses me off) that the rest of the world just accepts China doing this. Cheers
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I don't know if the rest of the world so much accepts it, as much as they really can't do anything about it. It's impossible to enforce trademarks outside of your own boarders without the cooperation of the authorities within the country in question.
 
ivan H said:
The Chinese are counterfeiting almost everything. Cliff jack sockets, Braun electric razors, Hako soldering stations, guitar strings, even down to guitar plectrums. The list is almost endless. It amazes me (& pisses me off) that the rest of the world just accepts China doing this. Cheers
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Agreed, I can handle some Chinese products that are plenty useful for what they are, Chinese products. Some with Chinese names, some with the names and styles of American, German etc companies.

My example is I believe my 4 Fender-like, Gibson-like guitars are exactly what they were sold as, Squier by Fender P and J basses, Epiphone Les Paul

But if I thought I was getting a Fender Tele, or Gib LP and thus overpaid for the item at full USD prices for what turned out to be Chinese fakes with US names on the instrument, I would be mad, and technically be ripped off.
 
Session 5 said:
Its always buyer beware, when you are purchasing from public, There are many fake goods out there, also including guitar strings, Like Robert said buy from a reputable dealer problem solved.
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ivan H said:
The Chinese are counterfeiting almost everything. Cliff jack sockets, Braun electric razors, Hako soldering stations, guitar strings, even down to guitar plectrums. The list is almost endless. It amazes me (& pisses me off) that the rest of the world just accepts China doing this. Cheers
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Shure microphones are another popular item counterfeited by the Chinese. Guitar Center was selling them, and did not know. When buying in bulk, if not dealing directly with the factory, you use a distributor, and hope their word is good. I can see why Rickenbacker is as demanding with Customs as they are. Friends of mine in Germany have Chinese copies of the Rick 4004LK Lemmy bass. They are beautiful, but only useful as wall art. You can get them on any of the import sites for dirt cheap, but they'll never make it to your house if you buy one. One of those sites offered a "John Cipollina Tribute SG." The photos on their website were Javamagic's photos he posted on ETSG. He and several people including myself emailed the seller pointing out their deceit. Java had a lawyer send a cease and desist letter.

They are only being made to deceive the public. Don't care if they are better or worse, that's not the issue. Even if the original purchaser knows it's fake, what about each subsequent resale? When does it become a "Custom Shop" guitar, and no longer a fake? At some point, someone will lose some money, and be left holding nothing of true value.

When I first started building my own guitars as a hobby, I learned a lot from some builders at a few other sites. Some of those guys were making copies of '58 - '60 Bursts that could fool an expert. Everything from old growth lumber to the correct aniline dyes in the lacquer. One did. It was sold to someone as a "replica." After trading hands a couple of times it made it to someone who was a bit unscrupulous, and sold it as an original. It fooled the buyer and someone who checked it out. Both were long time players in the Burst game, who thought they were getting an uncirculated guitar. The buyer shelled out about $150K for a $2500 guitar. I don't think that any of you would want to be that buyer, regardless of the product being purchased.

As much as I try to make accurate replicas of guitars I can never afford, I do add little touches to make them mine. And, put my own name on them. A counterfeit is a counterfeit, and the counterfeiter should take a huge financial loss for doing so.
 
Session 5 said:
Its always buyer beware, when you are purchasing from public, There are many fake goods out there, also including guitar strings, Like Robert said buy from a reputable dealer problem solved.
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I'd say that about 98% of the stuff I buy is used, at least amps, pedals and guitars. No point in paying premium prices to be the one who takes off the plastic from the pick guard.
 
ivan H said:
The Chinese are counterfeiting almost everything. Cliff jack sockets, Braun electric razors, Hako soldering stations, guitar strings, even down to guitar plectrums. The list is almost endless. It amazes me (& pisses me off) that the rest of the world just accepts China doing this. Cheers
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I don't accept it.
Some supplier sold me fake Cliff jacks, and it pissed me off.

I'm going after those mudder fckers.
 
SG John said

Shure microphones are another popular item counterfeited by the Chinese. Guitar Center was selling them, and did not know. When buying in bulk, if not dealing directly with the factory, you use a distributor, and hope their word is good .


This is the very reason, i do not buy any guitar merchandise or anything of greater value from Amazon, or E bay..
 
Session 5 said:
SG John said

Shure microphones are another popular item counterfeited by the Chinese. Guitar Center was selling them, and did not know. When buying in bulk, if not dealing directly with the factory, you use a distributor, and hope their word is good .


This is the very reason, i do not buy any guitar merchandise or anything of greater value from Amazon, or E bay..
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I refuse to buy anything from that predatorial piece of crap, Jeff Bezos. His business practices should be illegal. That goes for Whole Foods, also. There's one a mile away from my house, and still have not set foot inside of it. I keep my money local as much as possible. After that, I buy direct from manufacturers or proper distributors/merchants.
 
Ebidis said:
I don't know if the rest of the world so much accepts it, as much as they really can't do anything about it. It's impossible to enforce trademarks outside of your own boarders without the cooperation of the authorities within the country in question.
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As the video I posted said -- when BMW (a rather deep pocketed organization) Sued CHINA they LOST --- because the CHINESE GOVT stated ,..... "its not a copy " --- uhm you FIGHT that how? -- BMW isnt the ONLY one to do so -- look it up-- and they all lost as CHINA basically said "get stuffed" --

I ask as well---when buying a "Dunlop" guitar pick lets say be it from your local mom n pop-----Sweetwater--- or amazon/ebay ---- how do you REALLY KNOW where the pick was made? IS it REAL DUNLOP TORTEX or ....?? isit a Chinese knock off???
for --- what 1.00 -- do you go the extra 75 miles to verify its legitimacy???
Do you grill the shop keep?

Same goes for strings......
watches
alarm clocks
washing machines
vacuum cleaners
etc....etc.....etc.....etc.




Some people cant afford to ONLY BUY AMERICAN
some choose not to
some dont have time to keep track of every 1.00 spent and where it goes frankly .....

LETS JUST BE HONEST the global economy has CRASHED SINCE NORM BOUGHT A NON GODIN GUITAR.....its every friggin man for himself NOW kiddies!!!!
 
I ask as well---when buying a "Dunlop" guitar pick lets say be it from your local mom n pop-----Sweetwater--- or amazon/ebay ---- how do you REALLY KNOW where the pick was made? IS it REAL DUNLOP TORTEX or ....?? isit a Chinese knock off???


I can tell by the sound and flex, yup i will buy the American made one for 75 cents vs flea Bay for 25 cents.....so there...:D
 
eSGEe said:
As the video I posted said -- when BMW (a rather deep pocketed organization) Sued CHINA they LOST --- because the CHINESE GOVT stated ,..... "its not a copy " --- uhm you FIGHT that how? -- BMW isnt the ONLY one to do so -- look it up-- and they all lost as CHINA basically said "get stuffed" --
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This was exactly my point. U.S. trademark and patent laws are only applicable/enforcable within the U.S. It is, however, illegal to import counterfeit products into the U.S.
 
Session 5 said:
I ask as well---when buying a "Dunlop" guitar pick lets say be it from your local mom n pop-----Sweetwater--- or amazon/ebay ---- how do you REALLY KNOW where the pick was made? IS it REAL DUNLOP TORTEX or ....?? isit a Chinese knock off???


I can tell by the sound and flex, yup i will buy the American made one for 75 cents vs flea Bay for 25 cents.....so there...:D
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THIS better be the ONLY DAMN PICK you use Mr Mansie!
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