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U.S. Customs Seize 36 Counterfeit Slash, Jimmy Page + Ace Frehley Guitars
The highest valued item was a Gibson Ace Frehley with a suggested retail price of $9,000.
Do we need to define “counterfeit” here? Do these guitars have manufacturers nameplates, maker’s marks, or logos printed upon them to deceive prospective purchasers in to thinking that they are products that are genuinely made by a company(or companies) that have built a reputation (positive or negative) upon their own “sweat equity” in the world market?I wonder if they are actual counterfeits? Has someone put in all the time needed to make them look and feel like the real deal, or are they just the standard Chinese lookalikes with a poorly faked headstock logo?
I wonder if they are actual counterfeits? Has someone put in all the time needed to make them look and feel like the real deal, or are they just the standard Chinese lookalikes with a poorly faked headstock logo?
From a legal point of view they are counterfeit if there is a fake logo on them, so from that point of view it doesn't really matter how good they are.Do we need to define “counterfeit” here? Do these guitars have manufacturers nameplates, maker’s marks, or logos printed upon them to deceive prospective purchasers in to thinking that they are products that are genuinely made by a company(or companies) that have built a reputation (positive or negative) upon their own “sweat equity” in the world market?
There’s where we will differ...to me, a poor counterfeit is still a counterfeit. It doesn’t matter to me how egregious looking the subject is to my eyes...educated or not...if it has someone else’s name on it...it is fake/counterfeit...to me.From a legal point of view they are counterfeit if there is a fake logo on them, so from that point of view it doesn't really matter how good they are.
From a potential buyer's perspective the difference is important though. The article states:
"After further investigation it was concluded that the collection had 27 Gibson, six Fender, two CF Martin and one Paul Reed Smith guitars that were allegedly autographed and played by famous musicians"
Autographed and played by... That's some pretty serious counterfeiting there, but I assume they mean signature models.
"The highest valued item in the bunch was a Gibson Ace Frehley that was set at a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $9,000"
Up until now it's been easy to spot the fakes but if they are now making convincing counterfeits that both look and feel like the real deal, it's a gamechanger for all of us. Would the seized Ace Frehely mentioned above be so indistinguishable from the real thing that it would actually sell for 9 grand if hung on a wall at GC? If that is the case we're seeing a whole new level (and quality) of fake guitars.
It could of course also be that the article over inflates the story and that it is the regular run of the mill, poorly executed fakes with slapped on logos. As someone who buys a guitar from time to time I'd be interested to know.
No, I completely agree with you. My point is that if the counterfeits have become that good, none of us is safe. Up until now they've been easy to spot and I wonder if that is changing. Does this mean that I can no longer trust ny eyes when I buy a guitar?There’s where we will differ...to me, a poor counterfeit is still a counterfeit. It doesn’t matter to me how egregious looking the subject is to my eyes...educated or not...if it has someone else’s name on it...it is fake/counterfeit...to me.
That‘s cool and all...unless it’s “my” maker’s mark. I don’t care how fake your fake is....it had better not have my name on it...if it’s f’n fake.
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That's what I was thinking. 36 guitars is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg. I'd bet that 10 times that amount gets through customs around the world on a daily basis.So they seized 36 guitars...but missed the other 36,000 that already came through from China.
EssentiallyThat's what I was thinking. 36 guitars is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg. I'd bet that 10 times that amount gets through customs around the world on a daily basis.
Im gonna wager they missed about 360,000 dude or more --- & they are still selling em on ebay as we speak ........and alibaba and all the other import websellersSo they seized 36 guitars...but missed the other 36,000 that already came through from China.
I doubt that. The Epiphone factory is legit.Essentially
the guitars are being copied in the China Epiphone factory...it must be. The only place that has the resources.