Need some help deciding.

also I think the MEsa cost a little more new and holds value "perhaps" a little better on the used market? -- not by a TON -- but a little --if your thinking "flipper" down the road.

Have I mentioned @Hackmaster got me drunk and removeed the part of my brain that likes any other amps BESIDES Mesa???? --- yes well there ya go----

It's a personal taste thing.

I run a ton of midrange & resonance, and people tell me my rig has a "snarl" quality to it and an "air moving effect" they've never heard/felt from anyone with a combo amp before.

Yesterday, our new guitarist was playing through a Mesa Triple Rectifier/4x12 Cab/Gibson SG then some kind of Mesa Boogie Combo (he is a Mesa user) and I thought his tone was really good. Then he plugged into some old Randall head (the bassist owns) and everyone in the band looked up like "WTF is that???" I mean everybody noticed the improvement.

The tone was just absolutely indescribable and the way the SG sounded (it's a Goth model) in conjunction with my pair of Les Paul's was very natural and so sonically complimentary there just isnt a way to describe it any other way.

You really need to play them back to back and see what you prefer.

Now, I will also say that how they sound in a booth and how they sound live are totally different things. Ive borrowed a few Mesas recently that were offered to me for testing. In a live band, I feel like the Mesa just blends in whereas my Marshall stands out and does it with less overall volume. The Mesa can get super loud without any trouble.

But If I push the Mesa, with as much bass, resonance and volume as I dial up on the Marshall's, (to where my ear is digging the tone) Mesa just gets thicker and darker, and when I EQ the darkness out, the time gets thin to my ears.

In contrast, at 1/2 volume with a 40 watt tube Marshall Dsl40c, I can run bass/resonance to the point every pick sweep literally punches you and my cell phone won't stay put on top the amp and yet the tone never overwhelms the speakers.

I guess in summary I would say the Marshall is more prominent in the mix - at lower volume levels - and even cranking the mids on 3 different Mesa's doesn't produce the same effect without really driving the volume up.

All the Mesa's I've played could easily drown out a 747 at full thrust, but I prefer EQ-ing my way into a space at the front of the mix.

We try to set all our stage volumes to kick drum level and keep things there as much as possible. This seems to give us the best - almost foolproof live mix.
 
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On the Marshall EQ subject, I set my mids at full, bass at 2pm and treble at noon. My presence and resonance controls are both at 3pm. That never changes.

My primary EQ (GE-7 on all the time) is set for a mid boost with high frequency rolloff. Tone controls on the CS3, CE5 and TS9 are all set to noon.

My secondary EQ (also a GE-7) is set for a bass/mid boost and gentle down slope on highs and it's only switched on for solos. There's so much high frequency available from the DSL40C it's ridiculous, and with either the 50 watt WGS Reaper 55Hz or the Electro-Harmonix 12VR75 watt (my main and backup DSL40C's) no matter how hard I hit the low end, the speakers never lose clarity.

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and even cranking the mids on 3 different Mesa's doesn't produce the same effect without really driving the volume up.
As I think I stated earlier-- "diming" a mesa--- doesnt produce great tone---ever--
Marshall yep -- crank everything to 10 and rock -- its POISON-- MOTLEY CREW etc. -- 80's hair band metal to perfection--

Mesas a bit more civilized in its destruction of the human ear....you really do have to play with the knobs to get that sweet spot -- not as simple as WFO and go
 
As I think I stated earlier-- "diming" a mesa--- doesnt produce great tone---ever--
Marshall yep -- crank everything to 10 and rock -- its POISON-- MOTLEY CREW etc. -- 80's hair band metal to perfection--

Mesas a bit more civilized in its destruction of the human ear....you really do have to play with the knobs to get that sweet spot -- not as simple as WFO and go

I'm restricting my comments to playing with a live band only. I actually dig the Mesas for a solo jam scenario.
 
As I think I stated earlier-- "diming" a mesa--- doesnt produce great tone---ever--
Marshall yep -- crank everything to 10 and rock -- its POISON-- MOTLEY CREW etc. -- 80's hair band metal to perfection--

Mesas a bit more civilized in its destruction of the human ear....you really do have to play with the knobs to get that sweet spot -- not as simple as WFO and go

I definitely don't "dime" my Marshall's, as you can see from this image of my stage settings.

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The reason for this is - i believe - the unique mix of tubes that I use adds so much to the useable range of each EQ that they become like fine tuners.

The tube and speaker swaps totally transformed my DSL40C's...
 
Playing 7 and 8 string guitars is a whole different ball game. I got my first 7 string this year on my low B string I went .068"
I wanted a tight bass. My issue with Mesa amps is that they don't make good power tubes anymore and if one shorts out the power board
will burn up. I have only repaired around 1200 Mesa amps I'm no expert but have had long talks with Randall Smith.
My friend Reese Martin was a Mesa dealer from the start sales and service Reese wanted me to move and take over the repair shop
Mesa amps stacking up. If I did not build my own amps this would be my first choice Mallory filter capacitors the best ever made
and all military spec parts he was smart and stocked up on the best parts you can't buy now and builds his own transformers.

MZero Overdrive
 
Playing 7 and 8 string guitars is a whole different ball game. I got my first 7 string this year on my low B string I went .068"
I wanted a tight bass. My issue with Mesa amps is that they don't make good power tubes anymore and if one shorts out the power board
will burn up. I have only repaired around 1200 Mesa amps I'm no expert but have had long talks with Randall Smith.
My friend Reese Martin was a Mesa dealer from the start sales and service Reese wanted me to move and take over the repair shop
Mesa amps stacking up. If I did not build my own amps this would be my first choice Mallory filter capacitors the best ever made
and all military spec parts he was smart and stocked up on the best parts you can't buy now and builds his own transformers.

MZero Overdrive

Wow, that's $5,000USD of amplifier...I bet it's a sweet machine...but we could install 7 more freshwater wells in rural Nicaragua for that $5k...like this one we did recently.

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Anyways, that's why I don't have boutique gear...
 
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