My Experience with Modeling Amps and Profilers...

Sp8ctre

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...bottom line Go Get One! That is if you want to try 100 different amps for the price of one.

I started playing with the modeling stuff right from the start of my journey to learn guitar. The first amp I bought was a Line 6 Spider IV. While it had some really nice sounds
it just left a whole lot to be desired. One thing I hate about it is the jump in volume when you change models. You best be quick on the volume knob lest you blow a speaker
or your ear drums out.

After I played around with the Spider and read all the forum posts I could stand I knew I just HAD to have some tube amps. So I bought a VOX AC15C1 and although it
sounds great when playing it will not quiet down when setting idle. The constant hiss drives me crazy. No amount of shielding, new tube sets, high end cables or power
line noise suppressors will help. Maybe it's all the fluorescent lighting here?

Next came the Fender Super Champ, part tube, part modeler. This one is a head only and I play it mainly through a cab with a sixty/seventy 12". It is quiet and it sounds
great on most cleans and mile distortion. Heavy distortion not as much. It may be the low cost speaker???

Then I heard about the great price on the Silkyn amps and the background about the big name designer behind them. I couldn't resist and bought two of them. They are
fantastic 6L6 tube amp with both a Fender and Marshall circuit in them and they sound great and get DAMN loud, just ask Wav...I almost gave him hearing damage...

During this time I still felt the urge to do some heaving straying into modeling and got a Line 6 POD HD500X. I barely got my hands dirty messing with it and the Helix came
out...and you guessed it...I bought one along with a Line 6 Stage Source L2t powered FRFR PA monitor speaker. The Pod HD500X was immediately sold and I was hooked
on modeling with the Helix rig! It is seeing wide spread use with many pro studio and gigging musicians and that is because it truly performs! I'm not going to try and convince
anyone that they can't tell the difference between a modeler and a real tube, but you need to hear one live!

Finally last week I took another plunge in the water and bought a Kemper Profiler Amp. This unit works in a different fashion where as it actually profiles the real rig ie. Fender, Marshall
or whatever rig live and reproduces it's sound. I've only had two days to play with it, but it is far and and away the best I've played yet! This thing has thousands of real rigs profiled
and they sound incredible! Want to play a Dumble and don't have $50,000 well they have been profiled and the sound is unbelievable!

So with all this real world buying, playing, testing and comparing I'm satisfied that the modeling/profiling path is the one for me. I'm going to sell off all my amps other than one Silkyn
because I don't need them. I just want to keep the Silkyn because I spent so much time working on it and re-covering it...

I'm going to keep the Helix as well because even though I feel the Kemper is a better profiler I want to have a unit at home and one at work so I don't have to drag the things around...

And for those who think the profiler takes away from the special qualities that each guitar may impart have a listen to this video. Same pick up and same exact modeling setting
the only thing changed up was the guitar...

 
... I was hooked on modeling with the Helix rig! It is seeing wide spread use with many pro studio and gigging musicians and that is because it truly performs!

Yeah...I know about the Helix.

Do me a favor...tell me where you live...leave the door unlocked...and go out for a nice, long dinner!
 
sounds like a real nice amp Spctre.congrats man.whats the Dumble setiing sound like ? i could only ever dream of having such a amp but always wondered what they sound like.
 
sounds like a real nice amp Spctre.congrats man.whats the Dumble setiing sound like ? i could only ever dream of having such a amp but always wondered what they sound like.

When I'm the one playing is sounds just as shitty as all the rest...but, I'll try and give an honest assesment after I have more time with the unit.

I did a lot of headphone listening this weekend because the wife was in a mood...

...and if I even try and complain the M word gets throw down like a gauntlet!
 
Have a watch of this and you'll get a pretty good idea. There's all sorts of comments under the video about how peoples Blues Juniors sound just as good, but I'm not sure I believe them.

The video saying Blues Junior's sound just as good may very well be true to certain people. I've never heard a REAL Dumble In Person LIVE! So until I do I can't
judge...I don't think the profiles are that fantastic. What I am finding out from all this profiling is; I am a Clean sound guy. I love many of the profiles of old Fenders and
most anything run clean. Mild gain is OK too, but when the gain gets to high it's just not my thing...I'm glad I never bought a Marshall!
 
The video saying Blues Junior's sound just as good may very well be true to certain people. I've never heard a REAL Dumble In Person LIVE! So until I do I can't
judge...I don't think the profiles are that fantastic. What I am finding out from all this profiling is; I am a Clean sound guy. I love many of the profiles of old Fenders and
most anything run clean. Mild gain is OK too, but when the gain gets to high it's just not my thing...I'm glad I never bought a Marshall!

I've had a chance to play through two Dumbles...both ODS' - one a combo the other a head with matching 1x12 cab.
Very nice amps, indeed. Best amp I ever played through? Not by a wide margin, and made moreso by the absurd price tags.

If you are going for that maxed-out, driven clean Fenderish thing they are great, but in all honesty I have played better (old) Fenders, and even some Mesa's, VHT's and Dr. Z's that I thought were much better overall amps that did that sort of tone, and a "normal" player could afford them.
 
Sadly I have said before I'll say it again, 45.00 used Marshall 40,000.00 super custom Bumble --1 million watt wall of Van Halen style POWER ----- it dont matter--- I still sound like me......crap

...and there's the rub...as I've said before I'm a shitty player and a hard turd to polish. I am giving it everything I got though!
 
...and there's the rub...as I've said before I'm a shitty player and a hard turd to polish. I am giving it everything I got though!

Right there. Some amps seem to make playing easier - I don't know how, it's magic - and so I gravitate toward those because they seem to help me sound marginally better than I actually am (and help I can get, y'know). I don't like amps that too transparent and revealing, cause, well, they reveal that I suck!
 
Ya owe yourself a chance to try a Marshall JTM45... you know, the one that copied Leo's Bassman... :wink:

I do agree, everyone should experience what a real classic Marshall (and Fenders, too) feels like and sounds like to play. I have been lucky enough to play several real 60's plexis, my own 1976 JMP 2204 (and several others from this era, even though mine tends to be a very good one :yesway: ) and at least one JTM 50 clone, which sounds better and more authentic than all of them. :hmmm: Only then can you know what you may or may not be missing.

This week I had a Fractal AX8 queued up in my shopping cart, listening to demos. Man it sounds so good. But then I plug the headphones into my >$100 Fender Mustang I v1 (which is also 5 years old) and it sounds incredible, too.

At home, I will play through my "real" amps as often as not ('78 Champ, modern Champion 600, JMP 2204), but I am never disappointed when I plug into the Mustang. It takes some tweaking to disable some of the crappy fx but once stripped down (easy to do) the base models either sound beautiful or they have a lot of potential.

The AX8 would step up to the next level but I am so amused by my little >$100 Mustang (and 5 years old, at that), it is hard to justify $1000 or $1500 or nearly $2000. I am sure I would not regret spending the money, ultimately.

A couple of nice Fractal demos


Fractal JTM 45

 
A couple of nice Fractal demos
I got a halfway decent sounding computer speaker system, and those Fractal JTM sounds are awesome. I would like to hear the Fractal do a clean tone of the JTM, to keep it in Sp8ctre's topic of keeping it clean.

Here's a demo of a real JTM, and in the first 2 minutes it's pure Godly cleans... Marshall-Fender style! The rest is juicy stuff, too... :dood:

 
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